AIRAC instead of local

Alec Walker 916618 · March 3, 2021

Jake,

Quick question. It is my understanding that VatSys uses Navigraph data, however does this mean we don't have to define Fixes, SIDs etc in Airspace.xml or do they still have to be defined?

I'm working on a sector at the moment and have defined SIDs using RegEx formats but am getting a "SID not found error".

Cheers!

Jake Saw · March 3, 2021

Yes, you can rely solely on the Navigraph data if you choose.

For <SystemRunways> you cannot mix and match the two though, if you define some SIDs and STARs (<SIDSTARs>) for a particular Airport in Airspace.xml, vatSys will ignore the Navigraph SIDs and STARs (for that airport) and only search the ones you defined instead.

Alec Walker 916618 · March 4, 2021

Perfect, thanks!

Alec Walker 916618 · March 4, 2021

Question on the same vein, just logged in for a quick test and with no SIDs/STARs defined, I get no option to allocate a SID/STAR on the Flightstrip window. Do they have to be defined somewhere (outside of the Airspace.xml perhaps) for this to happen?

Jake Saw · March 4, 2021

Assign a runway first.

The SystemRunways you define are how vatsys knows which SIDS and STARs to load and make available

Alec Walker 916618 · March 5, 2021

Thanks, I had assigned a runway but got no SIDs/STARs. There again, I didn't have any defined in there as I was expecting Navigraph to be able to supply that...?

Jake Saw · March 6, 2021

<SystemRunways> defines runways you can choose from the popup menu in vatSys, and maps those runways to the SIDs and STARs that have defined either in Navigraph or elsewhere in Airspace.xml. That's why you can use the Regex pattern matching for the names. When you select a runway in vatSys, it chooses the most appropriate SID or STAR that you've mapped to that runway. You can see how this works in the Australia profile, where there are "fake" runways, such as 23V - that maps a Victor (visual terminating) STAR to the selection of that runway.

Alec Walker 916618 · March 6, 2021

Perfect, thank you for the explanation

Alec Walker 916618 · March 7, 2021

Jake, further to the above. having some issues with BIKF SIDs/STARs. Some are being recognised, others aren't using REGEX.

PSB Section of SystemRunways and image of error that's being thrown. I have tried {5} and {4} in the REGEXs.

		<Airport Name="BIKF">
			<Runway Name="10" DataRunway="10">
       <STAR Name="[A-Z]{4}\dM" ApproachName="ILSZ"/>
       <SID Name="[A-Z]{4}\dB" />
      </Runway>
			<Runway Name="28" DataRunway="28">
       <STAR Name="[A-Z]{4}\dH" ApproachName="ILSZ"/>
       <SID Name="[A-Z]{4}\dD" />
      </Runway>
			<Runway Name="01" DataRunway="01">
       <STAR Name="[A-Z]{4}\dN" ApproachName="ILSZ"/>
       <SID Name="[A-Z]{4}\dA" />
      </Runway>
			<Runway Name="19" DataRunway="19">
       <STAR Name="[A-Z]{4}\dK" ApproachName="ILSZ"/>
       <SID Name="[A-Z]{4}\dC" />
      </Runway>
		</Airport>

Jake Saw · March 7, 2021

Hi Alec

I won’t be home for a few days, so can’t look at it closely. You can check your regex matches the Navigraph names online, I use https://regex101.com

Alec Walker 916618 · March 7, 2021

Hi Jake,

No worries mate. Have checked on that site and they are all showing correctly, so maybe a parsing issue with VatSys? Let me know when you're able.

Jake Saw · March 8, 2021

Attach your Airspace.xml file as it stands now

Alec Walker 916618 · March 8, 2021

As requested

<?xml version="1.0"?>
<Airspace xmlns:xsd="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema" xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance">
	<SystemRunways>
		<Airport Name="BIKF">
			<Runway Name="10" DataRunway="10">
       <STAR Name="[A-Z]{4}\dM" ApproachName="ILSZ"/>
       <SID Name="[A-Z]{4}\dB" />
      </Runway>
			<Runway Name="28" DataRunway="28">
       <STAR Name="[A-Z]{4}\dH" ApproachName="ILSZ"/>
       <SID Name="[A-Z]{4}\dD" />
      </Runway>
			<Runway Name="01" DataRunway="01">
       <STAR Name="[A-Z]{4}\dN" ApproachName="ILSZ"/>
       <SID Name="[A-Z]{4}\dA" />
      </Runway>
			<Runway Name="19" DataRunway="19">
       <STAR Name="[A-Z]{4}\dK" ApproachName="ILSZ"/>
       <SID Name="[A-Z]{4}\dC" />
      </Runway>
		</Airport>
    <Airport Name="BIRK">
			<Runway Name="13" DataRunway="13">
       <STAR Name="[A-Z]{4}\dM" ApproachName="ILSZ"/>
       <SID Name="EL4" />
       <SID Name="KFV4" />
       <SID Name="MYRAR4" />
       <SID Name="RH4A" />
      </Runway>
			<Runway Name="31" DataRunway="31">
       <STAR Name="[A-Z]{4}\dH" ApproachName="ILSZ"/>
       <SID Name="EL3" />
       <SID Name="KFV3" />
       <SID Name="MYRAR3" />
       <SID Name="RH3A" />
      </Runway>
			<Runway Name="01" DataRunway="01">
       <STAR Name="[A-Z]{4}\dN" ApproachName="ILSZ"/>
       <SID Name="EL1" />
       <SID Name="KFV1" />
       <SID Name="MYRAR1" />
       <SID Name="RH1A" />
      </Runway>
			<Runway Name="19" DataRunway="19">
       <STAR Name="[A-Z]{4}\dK" ApproachName="ILSZ"/>
       <SID Name="EL2" />
       <SID Name="KFV2" />
       <SID Name="MYRAR2" />
       <SID Name="RH2A" />
      </Runway>
		</Airport>
	</SystemRunways>
	<Airports>
  <Airport ICAO="BGAA" Position="+684318.649-0524705.089" />
  <Airport ICAO="BGBW" Position="+610938.588-0452532.429" />
  <Airport ICAO="BGCO" Position="+704435.098-0223902.001" />
  <Airport ICAO="BGGH" Position="+641127.319-0514041.030" />
  <Airport ICAO="BGJN" Position="+691435.581-0510325.599" />
  <Airport ICAO="BGKK" Position="+653424.999-0370724.999" />
  <Airport ICAO="BGMQ" Position="+652444.870-0525621.908" />
  <Airport ICAO="BGMV" Position="+721359.998-0235500.001" />
  <Airport ICAO="BGNO" Position="+813632.399-0164037.801" />
  <Airport ICAO="BGPT" Position="+620053.049-0494015.369" />
  <Airport ICAO="BGQQ" Position="+772919.140-0692319.431" />
  <Airport ICAO="BGSF" Position="+670101.088-0504121.569" />
  <Airport ICAO="BGSS" Position="+665704.640-0534345.548" />
  <Airport ICAO="BGTL" Position="+763152.330-0684211.379" />
  <Airport ICAO="BGUK" Position="+724724.680-0560750.109" />
  <Airport ICAO="BGUQ" Position="+704403.231-0524146.330" />
  <Airport ICAO="BIAR" Position="+653924.001-0180418.998" />
  <Airport ICAO="BIBA" Position="+633321.999-0200814.999" />
  <Airport ICAO="BIBD" Position="+653829.000-0233245.999" />
  <Airport ICAO="BIBF" Position="+653059.000-0134817.999" />
  <Airport ICAO="BIBL" Position="+653841.999-0201715.000" />
  <Airport ICAO="BIBR" Position="+650431.000-0214801.000" />
  <Airport ICAO="BIBV" Position="+644724.000-0140122.000" />
  <Airport ICAO="BIDV" Position="+643839.001-0141658.000" />
  <Airport ICAO="BIEG" Position="+651659.998-0142405.000" />
  <Airport ICAO="BIEH" Position="+641443.000-0201802.001" />
  <Airport ICAO="BIFL" Position="+640834.000-0201933.999" />
  <Airport ICAO="BIFM" Position="+635228.999-0163827.999" />
  <Airport ICAO="BIGF" Position="+645935.001-0231313.000" />
  <Airport ICAO="BIGJ" Position="+655943.000-0211936.998" />
  <Airport ICAO="BIGR" Position="+663245.999-0180101.999" />
  <Airport ICAO="BIGS" Position="+653756.999-0160853.998" />
  <Airport ICAO="BIHE" Position="+651127.999-0161217.999" />
  <Airport ICAO="BIHI" Position="+645309.999-0192932.999" />
  <Airport ICAO="BIHK" Position="+654216.999-0214147.000" />
  <Airport ICAO="BIHL" Position="+635008.998-0202239.000" />
  <Airport ICAO="BIHN" Position="+641744.001-0151337.999" />
  <Airport ICAO="BIHU" Position="+655709.000-0172532.998" />
  <Airport ICAO="BIHZ" Position="+644158.999-0205300.999" />
  <Airport ICAO="BIIS" Position="+660329.001-0230807.000" />
  <Airport ICAO="BIKA" Position="+644644.000-0221524.998" />
  <Airport ICAO="BIKE" Position="+644217.999-0192438.001" />
  <Airport ICAO="BIKL" Position="+634734.000-0180014.000" />
  <Airport ICAO="BIKP" Position="+661838.998-0162800.001" />
  <Airport ICAO="BIKR" Position="+654354.001-0193422.000" />
  <Airport ICAO="BIMK" Position="+634251.001-0195245.001" />
  <Airport ICAO="BIMM" Position="+652859.998-0181000.001" />
  <Airport ICAO="BIMS" Position="+641051.999-0214228.000" />
  <Airport ICAO="BIND" Position="+644314.001-0180400.001" />
  <Airport ICAO="BINF" Position="+650754.001-0134451.000" />
  <Airport ICAO="BIRE" Position="+652706.001-0221234.999" />
  <Airport ICAO="BIRF" Position="+645441.000-0234923.001" />
  <Airport ICAO="BIRG" Position="+662423.000-0155505.998" />
  <Airport ICAO="BIRL" Position="+653920.998-0165505.001" />
  <Airport ICAO="BIRS" Position="+655451.001-0222517.000" />
  <Airport ICAO="BISA" Position="+645031.999-0160211.000" />
  <Airport ICAO="BISF" Position="+635545.001-0210216.000" />
  <Airport ICAO="BISI" Position="+660818.240-0185424.818" />
  <Airport ICAO="BISK" Position="+633101.999-0192921.001" />
  <Airport ICAO="BISL" Position="+640014.000-0165653.001" />
  <Airport ICAO="BISP" Position="+643915.001-0182948.998" />
  <Airport ICAO="BISR" Position="+643803.998-0212915.000" />
  <Airport ICAO="BISS" Position="+640338.998-0213428.999" />
  <Airport ICAO="BIST" Position="+650330.999-0224556.001" />
  <Airport ICAO="BISV" Position="+640656.998-0184659.998" />
  <Airport ICAO="BITE" Position="+655213.000-0233334.999" />
  <Airport ICAO="BITM" Position="+634123.999-0193347.001" />
  <Airport ICAO="BITN" Position="+661305.998-0152004.999" />
  <Airport ICAO="BIVH" Position="+653324.998-0192541.001" />
  <Airport ICAO="BIVI" Position="+632518.001-0185317.998" />
  <Airport ICAO="BIVM" Position="+632529.999-0201645.001" />
  <Airport ICAO="BIVO" Position="+654314.001-0145102.001" />
  <Airport ICAO="EKVG" Position="+620349.060-0071637.988" />
</Airports>
<SIDSTARs>
 <SID Name="LUTER2A" Airport="BIKF" Runways="01">
  <Route Runway="01">KF218 KF211 KF419 KF433 KF234 LUTER</Route>
  </SID>
 <STAR Name="BASLU2K" Airport="BIKF" Runways="19">
  <Route Runway="19">BASLU KF151 BETLU KF244 KF154 KF155 ELVUM</Route>
 </STAR>
</SIDSTARs>
</Airspace>

Jake Saw · March 9, 2021

18 hours ago, Alec Walker 916618 said:

<SIDSTARs> <SID Name="LUTER2A" Airport="BIKF" Runways="01"> <Route Runway="01">KF218 KF211 KF419 KF433 KF234 LUTER</Route> </SID> <STAR Name="BASLU2K" Airport="BIKF" Runways="19"> <Route Runway="19">BASLU KF151 BETLU KF244 KF154 KF155 ELVUM</Route> </STAR> </SIDSTARs>

Remove these definitions if you want to use the Navigraph data. As I said above, it’s one or the other. No mixing and matching currently.

Alec Walker 916618 · March 9, 2021

Problem I have is that without defining anything in there, I don't get any runway or SID/STAR options on the FDR...

Alec Walker 916618 · March 9, 2021

Have revised the file to the below and am unable to select any Runways or SIDs/STARS. Have also removed all <Airports> to test and still unable to select.

<?xml version="1.0"?>
<Airspace xmlns:xsd="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema" xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance">
		<Airports>
  <Airport ICAO="BGAA" Position="+684318.649-0524705.089" />
  <Airport ICAO="BGBW" Position="+610938.588-0452532.429" />
  <Airport ICAO="BGCO" Position="+704435.098-0223902.001" />
  <Airport ICAO="BGGH" Position="+641127.319-0514041.030" />
  <Airport ICAO="BGJN" Position="+691435.581-0510325.599" />
  <Airport ICAO="BGKK" Position="+653424.999-0370724.999" />
  <Airport ICAO="BGMQ" Position="+652444.870-0525621.908" />
  <Airport ICAO="BGMV" Position="+721359.998-0235500.001" />
  <Airport ICAO="BGNO" Position="+813632.399-0164037.801" />
  <Airport ICAO="BGPT" Position="+620053.049-0494015.369" />
  <Airport ICAO="BGQQ" Position="+772919.140-0692319.431" />
  <Airport ICAO="BGSF" Position="+670101.088-0504121.569" />
  <Airport ICAO="BGSS" Position="+665704.640-0534345.548" />
  <Airport ICAO="BGTL" Position="+763152.330-0684211.379" />
  <Airport ICAO="BGUK" Position="+724724.680-0560750.109" />
  <Airport ICAO="BGUQ" Position="+704403.231-0524146.330" />
  <Airport ICAO="BIAR" Position="+653924.001-0180418.998" />
  <Airport ICAO="BIBA" Position="+633321.999-0200814.999" />
  <Airport ICAO="BIBD" Position="+653829.000-0233245.999" />
  <Airport ICAO="BIBF" Position="+653059.000-0134817.999" />
  <Airport ICAO="BIBL" Position="+653841.999-0201715.000" />
  <Airport ICAO="BIBR" Position="+650431.000-0214801.000" />
  <Airport ICAO="BIBV" Position="+644724.000-0140122.000" />
  <Airport ICAO="BIDV" Position="+643839.001-0141658.000" />
  <Airport ICAO="BIEG" Position="+651659.998-0142405.000" />
  <Airport ICAO="BIEH" Position="+641443.000-0201802.001" />
  <Airport ICAO="BIFL" Position="+640834.000-0201933.999" />
  <Airport ICAO="BIFM" Position="+635228.999-0163827.999" />
  <Airport ICAO="BIGF" Position="+645935.001-0231313.000" />
  <Airport ICAO="BIGJ" Position="+655943.000-0211936.998" />
  <Airport ICAO="BIGR" Position="+663245.999-0180101.999" />
  <Airport ICAO="BIGS" Position="+653756.999-0160853.998" />
  <Airport ICAO="BIHE" Position="+651127.999-0161217.999" />
  <Airport ICAO="BIHI" Position="+645309.999-0192932.999" />
  <Airport ICAO="BIHK" Position="+654216.999-0214147.000" />
  <Airport ICAO="BIHL" Position="+635008.998-0202239.000" />
  <Airport ICAO="BIHN" Position="+641744.001-0151337.999" />
  <Airport ICAO="BIHU" Position="+655709.000-0172532.998" />
  <Airport ICAO="BIHZ" Position="+644158.999-0205300.999" />
  <Airport ICAO="BIIS" Position="+660329.001-0230807.000" />
  <Airport ICAO="BIKA" Position="+644644.000-0221524.998" />
  <Airport ICAO="BIKE" Position="+644217.999-0192438.001" />
  <Airport ICAO="BIKF" Position="+635857.00-0223725.00" />
  <Airport ICAO="BIKL" Position="+634734.000-0180014.000" />
  <Airport ICAO="BIKP" Position="+661838.998-0162800.001" />
  <Airport ICAO="BIKR" Position="+654354.001-0193422.000" />
  <Airport ICAO="BIMK" Position="+634251.001-0195245.001" />
  <Airport ICAO="BIMM" Position="+652859.998-0181000.001" />
  <Airport ICAO="BIMS" Position="+641051.999-0214228.000" />
  <Airport ICAO="BIND" Position="+644314.001-0180400.001" />
  <Airport ICAO="BINF" Position="+650754.001-0134451.000" />
  <Airport ICAO="BIRE" Position="+652706.001-0221234.999" />
  <Airport ICAO="BIRF" Position="+645441.000-0234923.001" />
  <Airport ICAO="BIRG" Position="+662423.000-0155505.998" />
  <Airport ICAO="BIRK" Position="+63.985-022.623611" />
  <Airport ICAO="BIRL" Position="+653920.998-0165505.001" />
  <Airport ICAO="BIRS" Position="+655451.001-0222517.000" />
  <Airport ICAO="BISA" Position="+645031.999-0160211.000" />
  <Airport ICAO="BISF" Position="+635545.001-0210216.000" />
  <Airport ICAO="BISI" Position="+660818.240-0185424.818" />
  <Airport ICAO="BISK" Position="+633101.999-0192921.001" />
  <Airport ICAO="BISL" Position="+640014.000-0165653.001" />
  <Airport ICAO="BISP" Position="+643915.001-0182948.998" />
  <Airport ICAO="BISR" Position="+643803.998-0212915.000" />
  <Airport ICAO="BISS" Position="+640338.998-0213428.999" />
  <Airport ICAO="BIST" Position="+650330.999-0224556.001" />
  <Airport ICAO="BISV" Position="+640656.998-0184659.998" />
  <Airport ICAO="BITE" Position="+655213.000-0233334.999" />
  <Airport ICAO="BITM" Position="+634123.999-0193347.001" />
  <Airport ICAO="BITN" Position="+661305.998-0152004.999" />
  <Airport ICAO="BIVH" Position="+653324.998-0192541.001" />
  <Airport ICAO="BIVI" Position="+632518.001-0185317.998" />
  <Airport ICAO="BIVM" Position="+632529.999-0201645.001" />
  <Airport ICAO="BIVO" Position="+654314.001-0145102.001" />
  <Airport ICAO="EKVG" Position="+620349.060-0071637.988" />
</Airports>
</Airspace>

Jake Saw · March 9, 2021

Keep the <SystemRunways>, delete just the <SIDSTARs> section...

Alec Walker 916618 · March 10, 2021

Gotcha, thanks and sorry for being a dunce!!

AIRAC *instead of* local

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AIRAC instead of local