Tobias Niederhauser 866959 Posted December 23, 2006 at 11:08 AM Posted December 23, 2006 at 11:08 AM hi, Anybody got these? Would appreciate real ones Is there still an active NOTAM about departure procedures in just "one" general direction? I would be glad if somebody could just post the initial routing eastbound out of LLBG... cheers & merry christmas, tobi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Proctor Posted December 23, 2006 at 12:54 PM Posted December 23, 2006 at 12:54 PM SOLIN UW13 VELOX UG2 SILKO G202 KAD R219 DAKWE G202 ISN R654 YZD UL124 KER G452 ZDN J177 SOKIR G452 RK R471 TIGER G452 DPN R460 LLK W45 BODOG A201 LSO A599 POU R200 VIBOS R473 SIERA Is that what you are looking for? Sorry, I am still getting used to the Departure Procedures out of Ben Gurion myself . *VHHH-LLBG* ATTOL V9 SIKOU R339 BSE A599 LSO A201 LLK M890 JAL R594 DPN W13S CHI G333 TIGER G452 SOKIR J177 ZDN G452 KER UL124 YZD R654 ISN G202 TAN A412 AMRAH *Used Routefinder to get routes* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tobias Niederhauser 866959 Posted December 23, 2006 at 01:04 PM Author Posted December 23, 2006 at 01:04 PM hey, Thank your for these two routes! The first one is real? Or aswell a routefinder route? cheers, tobi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Proctor Posted December 24, 2006 at 10:23 AM Posted December 24, 2006 at 10:23 AM Both are "Route Finder Routes", but both are based on actual flightplans *if the route from those airports was flown by anyone* so everything should be cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tobias Niederhauser 866959 Posted December 24, 2006 at 01:19 PM Author Posted December 24, 2006 at 01:19 PM What about a SALAM departure? cheers, tobi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erez Savir Posted December 24, 2006 at 01:29 PM Posted December 24, 2006 at 01:29 PM hi, Anybody got these? Would appreciate real ones Is there still an active NOTAM about departure procedures in just "one" general direction? I would be glad if somebody could just post the initial routing eastbound out of LLBG... cheers & merry christmas, tobi The NOTAM is very old,and we are back to the normal departure procedures.which is DEENA(!!)and not SOLIN as written here in the Flightplan. the correct form is: DEENA1.GITLA.UW13A.VELOX UG2 SILKO G202 KAD R219 DAKWE G202 ISN R654 YZD UL124 KER G452 ZDN J177 SOKIR G452 RK R471 TIGER G452 DPN R460 LLK W45 BODOG A201 LSO A599 POU R200 VIBOS R473 SIERA As for the return,you can't enter the Israeli airspace from AMRAH ,actually I don't know where it is. You need to fly to SOLIN and then enter from there.or via the south and fly along the J13 or UJ10 until the TMA of LLBG. here is a correct flightplan from VHHH to LLBG: BEKOL A461 YIN G586 QP B330 YBL B215 FKG A368 SARIN/K0905S1080 A368 TOLKI/K0906S1060 K0906S1060 A368 AKB G3 BATUR/K0910S1160 G3 FV R11 UK/N0425F330 R22 PIMEN UR22 KO UM856 MUT UB545 VESAR UL620 ALSUS UR18 VELOX UW13 SOLIN UH2 SIRON DCT This is a real ELAL Flightplan. and the LLBG-VHHH Flightplan is: N0425F330/DEENA1.GITLA UW13 VELOX UR18 ALSUS UR78 NIKAS R785 BAN W6 ALE B544 TUSYR UB36 GAZ UW701 ERZ UB374 INDUR/K0908S0860 UG161 PEMAN UG96 GIPAR A80 AKT G96 KRG A368 AGUSA/K0920S1020 A368 FKG B215 NUKTI/K0922S1140 B215 YBL B330 POU R473 ZUH/M085S1020 R473 SIERA It is also a real ELAL Flightplan. Enjoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Proctor Posted December 24, 2006 at 02:18 PM Posted December 24, 2006 at 02:18 PM that'll come in handy once I hit Cat II at El Al, *even though I transfered hours...... hour wise I'd be full Cat IV* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tobias Niederhauser 866959 Posted December 25, 2006 at 02:50 PM Author Posted December 25, 2006 at 02:50 PM hi Erez, The LLBG-VHHH Leg looks great, thanks for that one But the VHHH-LLBG Leg is really strange! That's for shure a real one? cheers, tobi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erez Savir Posted December 26, 2006 at 07:20 AM Posted December 26, 2006 at 07:20 AM Yes,It is REAL flightplan. Why strange? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tobias Niederhauser 866959 Posted December 26, 2006 at 09:56 AM Author Posted December 26, 2006 at 09:56 AM The routing goes far north (like the routings going to middle and northern europe) and then in a 90° angle back down to Tel Aviv... Far away from the "great circle" track. And that is economic? I would have expected a routing going via India and Arabia... cheers, tobi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom van der elst Posted December 26, 2006 at 10:22 AM Posted December 26, 2006 at 10:22 AM The routing goes far north (like the routings going to middle and northern europe) and then in a 90° angle back down to Tel Aviv... Far away from the "great circle" track. And that is economic? I would have expected a routing going via India and Arabia... cheers, tobi the detour is needed as ElAl cannot overfly certain countries iirc. cheers Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tobias Niederhauser 866959 Posted December 26, 2006 at 10:41 AM Author Posted December 26, 2006 at 10:41 AM Ah, didn't know that! Thanks! cheers, tobi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Or Netzer 894448 Posted December 26, 2006 at 06:02 PM Posted December 26, 2006 at 06:02 PM The routing goes far north (like the routings going to middle and northern europe) and then in a 90° angle back down to Tel Aviv... Far away from the "great circle" track. And that is economic? I would have expected a routing going via India and Arabia... cheers, tobi the detour is needed as ElAl cannot overfly certain countries iirc. cheers Tom. And its very not economic regards Or Netzer VATIL 7 Internal public relation manager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tobias Niederhauser 866959 Posted December 26, 2006 at 07:06 PM Author Posted December 26, 2006 at 07:06 PM My thoughts when I first saw it... cheers, tobi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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