Bryant Andrew 857583 Posted March 12, 2007 at 03:30 AM Posted March 12, 2007 at 03:30 AM Ok....well, after reading about 3 pages of the same thing over and over and over again, it really gave me a cold realization of why i stopped controlling back after i resigned my DATM position at ZMP. I got tired of the complaining and the b!tching, and the bickering and the whole egotistically, political aspect of VATUSA. Going from a controller to a DATM really opened eyes for me, and really sucked the fun out of controlling on the VATSIM network. After I resigned my position, i took time off from controlling, and just flew every now and then. Just recently, i started getting back in the saddle, and was introduced to a link. Needless to say this thread reminded me why i stopped controlling....i HAD fun controlling, until i became a Staff member, and all i heard was the same [Mod - lovely stuff] in meeting after meeting, and read the same posts of just useless bickering and fighting...its sad and it disappoints me because it just seems like the VATUSA community is bringing eachother down. The first thing you learn in air traffic control, is that you are a team, ONE TEAM, you p[Mod - Happy Thoughts] aircraft from one person to another, you coordinate and communicate as ONE, thats the only way an air traffic system works, and if all you guys do is argue how do you expect to trust eachother...are you noticing a chain reaction...if 2 controllers from adjacent facililties are holding grudges and arguing with one another, then how the hell are they suppose to work together, i know when i am here at the lab for my cl[Mod - Happy Thoughts], we brief and tell eachother how we are goin to do things that way we know what to expect from eachother. Have any of you ever done that with someone you have got into an argument with and seen it work?i know i havent, and i dont know what to do...stay or just not control and stick to flying. I really hope things change for the best. Im just getting sick and tired of the nerve that people have calling eachother out over a hobby thats SUPPOSE to be fun. Looking forward to hearing more, Bryant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Caban 844086 Posted March 12, 2007 at 05:21 AM Posted March 12, 2007 at 05:21 AM (edited) Teamwork means expecting the man next to you to mess up occ[Mod - Happy Thoughts]ionally and being prepared enough to help him through it... and vice versa. Accusing him of being wrong or saying his idea sucks... is NOT teamwork. Thinking you can do better on your own... is not teamwork. Team work is a frame of mind. To be part of a team you have to be unselfish in your performance, and non-judgemental of the performance of your team mates. Otherwise, you are just one person with an opinion and a voice, who won't accomplish anyrhing more than any other opinion and voice out there. [email protected] Edited March 13, 2007 at 05:08 AM by Guest Regards, JX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Green 810012 Posted March 12, 2007 at 12:22 PM Posted March 12, 2007 at 12:22 PM At the end of the day a teammate doesn't find fault with anothers performance, and yet helps them overcome it just the same. Perhaps there is room for more TEAM and less player amongst some. Richard Green VATSIM Supervisor SB Testing & Support Team VRC Testing & Support Team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Hill 810430 Posted March 12, 2007 at 12:36 PM Posted March 12, 2007 at 12:36 PM I got tired of the complaining and the b!tching.... To me, your treatise seems to indicate otherwise. Respectfully, Daniel Hill 810430 [Just Plain Ole' Dan] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opher Ben Peretz 882232 Posted March 12, 2007 at 01:58 PM Posted March 12, 2007 at 01:58 PM Living on this planet in these times is not simple. It is not the forces of nature we have trouble with, but human character. Therefore, to live, produce and enjoy, we need to work on ourselves, beyond just getting educated about human values. We need to learn to tolerate other ideas and welcome the different. These issues arise everywhere- marriage, work, and play. At times, when it becomes a little difficult, I try to put on Mr. Spock's attitude- useful, always to the point, neutral and a master at avoiding unnecessary conflict. I got tired of the complaining and the b!tching.... To me, your treatise seems to indicate otherwise. Regards, Opher Ben Peretz Senior Instructor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Hill 810430 Posted March 12, 2007 at 02:07 PM Posted March 12, 2007 at 02:07 PM ...when it becomes a little difficult, I try to put on Mr. Spock's attitude- useful, always to the point, neutral and a master at avoiding unnecessary conflict. LOL. It's good to see you are as good at it as I am. By the way, Mr. Spock was never "neutral." He told it like it was. As an example, I quote him in the episode entitled "The Alternative Factor." Here, Spock addresses Lazarus. "I fail to comprehend your indignation, sir. I have simply made the logical deduction that you are a liar." I would call that anything but "neutral" on Spock's part. Respectfully, Daniel Hill 810430 [Just Plain Ole' Dan] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Collins 800023 Posted March 12, 2007 at 02:46 PM Posted March 12, 2007 at 02:46 PM There is no "I" or "U" in "TEAM". How many of these have been used so far in this thread? Roland Collins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Hill 810430 Posted March 12, 2007 at 03:23 PM Posted March 12, 2007 at 03:23 PM There is no "I" or "U" in "TEAM". How many of these have been used so far in this thread? Roland Collins But there is a "ME" in team. LOL. Respectfully, Daniel Hill 810430 [Just Plain Ole' Dan] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Collins 800023 Posted March 12, 2007 at 03:27 PM Posted March 12, 2007 at 03:27 PM Only for a backward thinking person! Sorry! ... but you walked right into that one! Respectfully Roland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Hill 810430 Posted March 12, 2007 at 03:30 PM Posted March 12, 2007 at 03:30 PM Only for a backward thinking person! Sorry! ... but you walked right into that one! Respectfully Roland Ouch. LOL. Respectfully, Daniel Hill 810430 [Just Plain Ole' Dan] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garry Morris 920567 Posted March 12, 2007 at 11:18 PM Posted March 12, 2007 at 11:18 PM While there is no "I" in team, teamwork *is* a two way street. You can not effectively work as a team if another member refuses to do so/participate. Teamwork is not always possible, and depending on how the team is run, teamwork does not always produce the best results either. Is it usually a good thing? Yes! Is it always the way to go, most definitely not. http://www.execjetva.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Littlejohn Posted March 13, 2007 at 12:10 AM Posted March 13, 2007 at 12:10 AM Heh.. this comes from the business I am in, which is appropriately named TEAM: Together Everybody Achieves More 'Nuff said. BL. Brad Littlejohn ZLA Senior Controller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis Whitley 952478 Posted March 13, 2007 at 12:36 AM Posted March 13, 2007 at 12:36 AM The essence of teamwork is saying "Let's go", instead of "You go". Dennis WWW.VATUSA.NET Previous Management New ATC Click Here http://flightsimx.cyclops.amnesia.com.au/index.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Collins 800023 Posted March 13, 2007 at 01:13 AM Posted March 13, 2007 at 01:13 AM The essence of teamwork is saying "Let's go", instead of "You go".... or saying, "I'll go" It is all about synergy. Roland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Caban 844086 Posted March 13, 2007 at 05:09 AM Posted March 13, 2007 at 05:09 AM Perhaps there is room for more TEAM and less player amongst some. Unless you're Michael Jordan, and most of us are not! Regards, JX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnathon Neilsen 955672 Posted March 13, 2007 at 07:35 AM Posted March 13, 2007 at 07:35 AM This is why i live and control in Aus! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Oberg 855611 Posted March 13, 2007 at 05:47 PM Posted March 13, 2007 at 05:47 PM Hey Bryant, you sure hit the nail on the head. I also took a leave due to all the negativity. I am back controlling as well, however reading some posts that people put out, you have to wonder why some of these folks are in VATSIM to begin with. It seems there is more complaining then enjoying the hobby. Whats the point? thanks for your post, I agree 100% Mike O. Michael Oberg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruno Pinto 964946 Posted March 13, 2007 at 06:30 PM Posted March 13, 2007 at 06:30 PM Teamwork = vZHU ARTCC Cheers! ________________________________________ Bruno Pinto VATME - OOMM - C3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Smith Posted March 13, 2007 at 09:53 PM Posted March 13, 2007 at 09:53 PM Believe it or not, controlling and flying within VATUSA _IS_ still fun. We routinely laugh it up in ZLA with tons of planes in the sky. There are still good times to be had, folks. Policies can be challenged and negotiated without disrupting the reason we're all here, to be the pusher or pushee of tin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad Black Posted March 13, 2007 at 11:02 PM Posted March 13, 2007 at 11:02 PM Heh.. this comes from the business I am in, which is appropriately named TEAM: Together Everybody Achieves More 'Nuff said. BL. Team Security? I use them all the time for my business. Respectfully, Chad Black Click here to see my 12 years worth of Flight Sim Screenshots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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