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I was trying to create this FP from MDSD (Las Americas Intl) to KFJK (John F. Kennedy Intl):

CDO G446 KOBET G446 BESAS G446 GTK A554 TOOMS A554 CHAMP A300 OWENZ CAMRN

 

And i get this error message...

ERROR: Unknown airway/waypoint A554

 

Also i get this error when i remove the A554 and try to create the FP introducing just the fixes:

ERROR: Unknown airway/waypoint CHAMP

 

Can I add this airway/waypoint? How can I do it?

Octavio Germosen

ATM Santo Domingo FIR

VATSIM Caribbean Division (VATCAR)

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Michal belives as 0608 is the last freeware cycle that it is the VATSIM standard.... personally I disagree and we are tyring to be as realistic as possible.... but its his choice, his program!

 

Honestly, Michael must be with you and your idea to do this as realistic as possible.... That can make this software terrific.... Cheers...

Octavio Germosen

ATM Santo Domingo FIR

VATSIM Caribbean Division (VATCAR)

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Michal belives as 0608 is the last freeware cycle that it is the VATSIM standard.... personally I disagree and we are tyring to be as realistic as possible.... but its his choice, his program!

 

AIRAC 0608 is freeware. VATSIM is freeware. vroute is freeware. I cannot have two databases in paralell in the current version, so when facing the choice between supporting freeware users and users of a commercial add-on I pick the freeware option. If I picked the commercial option, freeware users would see more and more problems with executing these flight plans.

 

One day this approach might change, perhaps if I spend some time to develop the dual database capacity. For the next month or two I'm not expecting a move to support newer cycles.

 

 

Michal

vroute.net founder

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The problem is not vroute, Vatsim, or even Mr. Rok. The problem is that the FAA started charging for updated AIRAC information.

 

I have run into this problem too many times. Many once-great programs and websites are now completely outdated (FSRoute, for example).

 

If only they would have not made the move, as it has completely destroyed many things about the virtual aviation community. Maybe they could charge for the current one, but offer a one-month old version for free?

Brian Beach

VatsimPHP Developer: http://www.bbflights.com/VatsimPHP/

AFA Detroit Hub Director: http://www.flyafa.com/

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I suppose this waypoint does not exist in AIRAC cycle 0608?

Michal

 

Is there a resource around to let users know what the Flight Level Ranges are in effect for AIRAC 0608?

 

I've just tried adding the following route to vroute and got errors:

 

NZAA - RJAA

 

DUGAN A597 MINET A597 LEKAX A597 KAKOP A597 JUNIE A337 TEGOD A337 ADKAK OTR20 PETAL LIBRA

 

This was the real ANZ99 route used on Wed 04APR07. It was filed at FL320.

 

Got the following back:

PROF: A597 not available between LEKAX and VIRAR at FL245..400

PROF: A597 not available between VIRAR and LTO at FL245..400 PROF: A597 not available between LTO and GOPRA at FL245..400 PROF: A597 not available between GOPRA and ENOUS at FL245..400

 

Mark

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Vice President Operations (VATGOV2)

Auckland, New Zealand

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No, there is no such resource. I [Mod - Happy Thoughts]ume AIRAC cycle data to be kind of "rules of the game" - in this case, the game to develop a good flight plan. Sometimes you find the game difficult, but it doesn't mean you can demand that the rules are changed . Actually, vroute is much easier on people than old EUroute used to be - with Eurocontrol CFMU verification, it was 10 times more difficult to submit a plan that would be acceptable.

 

 

Michal

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No, there is no such resource. I [Mod - Happy Thoughts]ume AIRAC cycle data to be kind of "rules of the game" - in this case, the game to develop a good flight plan. Sometimes you find the game difficult, but it doesn't mean you can demand that the rules are changed . Actually, vroute is much easier on people than old EUroute used to be - with Eurocontrol CFMU verification, it was 10 times more difficult to submit a plan that would be acceptable.

 

 

Michal

 

i think there is much room to make the submission easier...

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Michal

 

Is there a resource around to let users know what the Flight Level Ranges are in effect for AIRAC 0608?

 

I've just tried adding the following route to vroute and got errors:

 

NZAA - RJAA

 

DUGAN A597 MINET A597 LEKAX A597 KAKOP A597 JUNIE A337 TEGOD A337 ADKAK OTR20 PETAL LIBRA

 

This was the real ANZ99 route used on Wed 04APR07. It was filed at FL320.

 

Got the following back:

PROF: A597 not available between LEKAX and VIRAR at FL245..400

PROF: A597 not available between VIRAR and LTO at FL245..400 PROF: A597 not available between LTO and GOPRA at FL245..400 PROF: A597 not available between GOPRA and ENOUS at FL245..400

 

Mark

 

The answer is given in the error message. As the airways aren't available between FL245 and 600 I presume that they are low altitude airways (in 0608 anyway) so just put the upper limit at FL245 and it should work.

 

Phillip

VATSIM UK Divisional Instructor

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The problem is not vroute, Vatsim, or even Mr. Rok. The problem is that the FAA started charging for updated AIRAC information.

 

I have run into this problem too many times. Many once-great programs and websites are now completely outdated (FSRoute, for example).

 

If only they would have not made the move, as it has completely destroyed many things about the virtual aviation community. Maybe they could charge for the current one, but offer a one-month old version for free?

 

Careful there Brian...the FAA (actually it was the DOD, not the FAA) did not start charging for the AIRAC data...they were told by several European countries to "STOP" distributing for free their copyrighted proceedure's, so they had no choice but to comply...you will notice that all the USA info is still available for FREE. It is commerical outfit's like Jeppesen that "Charge" for updated AIRAC data and alway's have. Our problem is: The only person that writes a conversion program for almost all of the addon's we use with Flight Sim has to Pay for the world wide AIRAC from a European source now, so we pay him, or not, our choice.

 

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