Chirs Smith 945567 Posted April 4, 2007 at 09:11 PM Posted April 4, 2007 at 09:11 PM Hello, I am just starting the academy and was wondering whether a mic was required or not for the teamspeak cl[Mod - Happy Thoughts]es (BATC for right now) and if it is required to have a mic to control (mainly DEL for right now) Help appreciated, Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Hudson 951027 Posted April 4, 2007 at 09:18 PM Posted April 4, 2007 at 09:18 PM No, I belive not. But why not go to an electronic store near you. I got a headset once that was 15 bucks and it was nice.! NY T R A C O N A R T C C. JFK ISP LGA EWR PHL... NY Instructor I1 ZNY Lead Event Coordinator Braniff International Virtual Airways CEO braniffva.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Ogden 985378 Posted April 4, 2007 at 10:04 PM Posted April 4, 2007 at 10:04 PM Questions about the academy should probably be posted in the "Ask the teachers" forum on the training website. It is not REQUIRED that you have a mic for ATC. However, I'll be frank with you...I will NEVER fly in your airspace so long as you are text only. Period. As for the academy cl[Mod - Happy Thoughts]es, I'll have to ask Cornell, but I don't think the cl[Mod - Happy Thoughts]es would be very beneficial without interaction between the teacher and the student. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Littlejohn Posted April 4, 2007 at 10:16 PM Posted April 4, 2007 at 10:16 PM Questions about the academy should probably be posted in the "Ask the teachers" forum on the training website. It is not REQUIRED that you have a mic for ATC. However, I'll be frank with you...I will NEVER fly in your airspace so long as you are text only. Period. As for the academy cl[Mod - Happy Thoughts]es, I'll have to ask Cornell, but I don't think the cl[Mod - Happy Thoughts]es would be very beneficial without interaction between the teacher and the student. Ouch, Robert. I guess the same can be turned around from Andrew's point with UNICOM. If you have a controller who received the training and worked as hard as all of us other controllers have, but is hearing or speech impaired, and at that, working in your sector, you would deny him traffic just because their only option for communications is text? Ouch. BL. Brad Littlejohn ZLA Senior Controller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Horan 901577 Posted April 4, 2007 at 10:24 PM Posted April 4, 2007 at 10:24 PM I will NEVER fly in your airspace so long as you are text only. Period. Harsh. You should never discriminate because a pilot is on text.. what if they are deaf? I've encountered a few deaf pilots; not a problem for me, and it shouldn't be for anyone else.. Matt www.vatsim.net/prc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Miller 873677 Posted April 4, 2007 at 10:39 PM Posted April 4, 2007 at 10:39 PM Questions about the academy should probably be posted in the "Ask the teachers" forum on the training website. It is not REQUIRED that you have a mic for ATC. However, I'll be frank with you...I will NEVER fly in your airspace so long as you are text only. Period. As for the academy cl[Mod - Happy Thoughts]es, I'll have to ask Cornell, but I don't think the cl[Mod - Happy Thoughts]es would be very beneficial without interaction between the teacher and the student. Ouch, Robert. I guess the same can be turned around from Andrew's point with UNICOM. If you have a controller who received the training and worked as hard as all of us other controllers have, but is hearing or speech impaired, and at that, working in your sector, you would deny him traffic just because their only option for communications is text? Ouch. BL. Brad, I'm not sure what you mean by refrencing my name. Can you show me in my posts where I was discriminating agaist deaf people? Andrew Miller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Ogden 985378 Posted April 4, 2007 at 10:47 PM Posted April 4, 2007 at 10:47 PM I don't want to hijack the thread and go off on the whole text only fight again (sheesh...we've got enough fighting in the forum don't we?). Matt, I was referring to ATC on text only, not pilots. I deal with text only pilots every day. However, when I log on as a pilot, I'm doing it for fun -- not volunteering my time for the controllers' fun (I volunteer plenty of my time as a controller...a guy has to have a break every now and then!). For me, using text while SIMULATING a flight is not fun (or realistic), so when I run into text only ATC, I log off of VATSIM and fly it myself. I'd rather have no traffic than try to type on approach while flying the aircraft. I'm not saying that text only ATC should be prohibited. I'm saying that I won't fly in that scenario because there is no enjoyment in it for me. I'm [Mod - Happy Thoughts]uming that Chris here (or is it Chirs?) is not deaf, but simply does not own a mic yet (they are real cheap btw...I use a $10 mic from Wal-Mart). Chris, I'm encouraging you in the strongest way I know how to go out and buy a mic if you don't already have one. Your academy cl[Mod - Happy Thoughts] (which I'm supposed to teach tonight btw) will be 10 times more benefitial to you if you can interact, and as for ATC...well I think you need a mic (others obviously disagree). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Heaney 879309 Posted April 4, 2007 at 11:06 PM Posted April 4, 2007 at 11:06 PM I Agree that it's frustrating typing to a text controller, however saying you'll not fly in his airspace NEVER, is a bit much. He's talking about DEL, and if you can't readback your clearance on text then well.. that's another matter. So Robert is teaching the cl[Mod - Happy Thoughts]? Wow, I can't believe the academy would support someone to teach with that closed mindedness. Nuff said. Yeah its a PITA when you have to type and fly, I agree, but I don't think it's helping matters saying what you said, how you said it. If there were a Hearing or Speech impaired controller online, I wouldn't give it a second thought whether or not to fly in his or her airspace. It's a no brainer, I'd fly there. But for argument's sake. If someone is starting off with No Mic, that's fine, but like others have said, you can get them dirt cheap, and there's no excuse not to have one, within a few months. I've done text only controlling (Although not by choice) and it's Not fun at all. Enough babble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Littlejohn Posted April 4, 2007 at 11:11 PM Posted April 4, 2007 at 11:11 PM Questions about the academy should probably be posted in the "Ask the teachers" forum on the training website. It is not REQUIRED that you have a mic for ATC. However, I'll be frank with you...I will NEVER fly in your airspace so long as you are text only. Period. As for the academy cl[Mod - Happy Thoughts]es, I'll have to ask Cornell, but I don't think the cl[Mod - Happy Thoughts]es would be very beneficial without interaction between the teacher and the student. Ouch, Robert. I guess the same can be turned around from Andrew's point with UNICOM. If you have a controller who received the training and worked as hard as all of us other controllers have, but is hearing or speech impaired, and at that, working in your sector, you would deny him traffic just because their only option for communications is text? Ouch. BL. Brad, I'm not sure what you mean by refrencing my name. Can you show me in my posts where I was discriminating agaist deaf people? Hey Andrew. I'm not saying that you are discriminating. I am referencing the thread before about this, and showing that this could easily be turned around. The possibilities for this exists both ways. Using voice shouldn't discriminate those who have no choice but to use text, whether as a pilot or controller. BL. Brad Littlejohn ZLA Senior Controller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Miller 873677 Posted April 4, 2007 at 11:17 PM Posted April 4, 2007 at 11:17 PM I agree, both should be viable methods of communication on the network. Andrew Miller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Littlejohn Posted April 4, 2007 at 11:20 PM Posted April 4, 2007 at 11:20 PM I Agree that it's frustrating typing to a text controller, however saying you'll not fly in his airspace NEVER, is a bit much. He's talking about DEL, and if you can't readback your clearance on text then well.. that's another matter. But for argument's sake. If someone is starting off with No Mic, that's fine, but like others have said, you can get them dirt cheap, and there's no excuse not to have one, within a few months. I've done text only controlling (Although not by choice) and it's Not fun at all. Enough babble. Heh. I all of my controller training from S1 - S2 - S3 all on text, when it was the requirement that S3s and higher could only use voice. That didn't discriminate against those who were lower rank, no, but it made sure that those fundamentals could and were easily applied to those via text as well as those via voice. In fact, I worked my first CalScream text only. That's what got the attention of my instructors who asked why I hadn't progressed any further. I didn't know at the time that I could. Anyway, if a controller knows how to use his aliases and use them well, they can be just as, if not even more efficient than a controller on voice. BL. Brad Littlejohn ZLA Senior Controller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Heaney 879309 Posted April 4, 2007 at 11:40 PM Posted April 4, 2007 at 11:40 PM Yeah well Brad, you and I came into controlling in a different Era, than Robert. I had to be damn good on text before being allowed on voice, and I didn't get on voice before moving ABOVE Tower. I don't regret it now, if you can master text, you'll keep it with you and it will make voice much easier in the future. And I agree with the rest of your post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnathon Neilsen 955672 Posted April 4, 2007 at 11:53 PM Posted April 4, 2007 at 11:53 PM COme on guys Lighten up. Its up to pilots to use text or voice. I mean I prefer voice, however I use a lot of text to. PS I picked up a Logitech Headset for $9.95 absoulute bargain!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Horan 901577 Posted April 5, 2007 at 12:06 AM Posted April 5, 2007 at 12:06 AM I don't want to hijack the thread and go off on the whole text only fight again (sheesh...we've got enough fighting in the forum don't we?). Matt, I was referring to ATC on text only, not pilots. I deal with text only pilots every day. However, when I log on as a pilot, I'm doing it for fun -- not volunteering my time for the controllers' fun (I volunteer plenty of my time as a controller...a guy has to have a break every now and then!). For me, using text while SIMULATING a flight is not fun (or realistic), so when I run into text only ATC, I log off of VATSIM and fly it myself. I'd rather have no traffic than try to type on approach while flying the aircraft. I'm not saying that text only ATC should be prohibited. I'm saying that I won't fly in that scenario because there is no enjoyment in it for me. Completely understandable Rob; I can see where you're coming from. And good pickup on the name.. I had to go back and check it again to verify that, indeed, it was Chirs, even though I had read it in my mind as Chris. Goes to show the wonders of the human mind, eh! Matt www.vatsim.net/prc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Littlejohn Posted April 5, 2007 at 12:15 AM Posted April 5, 2007 at 12:15 AM COme on guys Lighten up. Its up to pilots to use text or voice. I mean I prefer voice, however I use a lot of text to. PS I picked up a Logitech Headset for $9.95 absoulute bargain!! Not entirely true. Controllers can choose if they want to use text or voice as well. Controllers are not required to use voice. If a controller has no choice but to use text for , there is nothing that should stop them from doing so. Voice is a preferred method, but not absolutely required. BL. Brad Littlejohn ZLA Senior Controller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Ogden 985378 Posted April 5, 2007 at 05:42 AM Posted April 5, 2007 at 05:42 AM So Robert is teaching the cl[Mod - Happy Thoughts]? Wow, I can't believe the academy would support someone to teach with that closed mindedness. Nuff said. That was completely out of line. I am not discriminating against anybody when I say that I don't enjoy flying using text and that I'll not fly if I have to use text to continue doing it. Thats common sense. If I'm not enjoying it then what on earth am I doing it for? This isn't a friggin charity, and if it were I do plenty of donating of my time controlling, mentoring, and teaching at the academy. I fly for fun. And as for the jab about my academy teaching, I don't see you volunteering 2 hours of your time teaching 8 eager students how to read a METAR and what RVSM is twice a week. And I'll have you know that despite the disadvantage it puts the student and the rest of the cl[Mod - Happy Thoughts] at, I did allow for a text only student tonight. We could use some help at the academy. Since you would do such a better job at it, perhaps you should volunteer? I have already talked to the author of this post (who is not deaf...not that it matters), so I'm done with the thread. You'll have to find me in other threads to flame me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Hensley 950569 Posted April 5, 2007 at 08:00 AM Posted April 5, 2007 at 08:00 AM Enough babble. That is one of the smartest things I have ever seen you post....next you'll suggest that if someone disagrees with you, they should not be allowed on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chirs Smith 945567 Posted April 5, 2007 at 06:14 PM Author Posted April 5, 2007 at 06:14 PM OK problem should be solved now. I found a microphone after rummaging through my basement. not the greatest thing in the world, but it should work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Heaney 879309 Posted April 5, 2007 at 10:26 PM Posted April 5, 2007 at 10:26 PM next you'll suggest that if someone disagrees with you, they should not be allowed on here. If I wanted to say that, I'd say that, don't put words in my mouth. Everyone has a right to an opinion, even if you don't like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Heaney 879309 Posted April 5, 2007 at 10:29 PM Posted April 5, 2007 at 10:29 PM And as for the jab about my academy teaching, I don't see you volunteering 2 hours of your time teaching 8 eager students how to read a METAR and what RVSM is twice a week. And I'll have you know that despite the disadvantage it puts the student and the rest of the cl[Mod - Happy Thoughts] at, I did allow for a text only student tonight. We could use some help at the academy. Since you would do such a better job at it, perhaps you should volunteer? Why would I? I don't have the time to commit to a set schedule. If I'm able to come on, I'll come on, if not, I won't. I won't commit to something I can't commit to. I Support the new students just fine, but I'll let you Academy guys teach them. You've got more spare time than I have. Thanks for saying I'd do a better job at it, it means a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Temple 880167 Posted April 5, 2007 at 11:28 PM Posted April 5, 2007 at 11:28 PM I beleive the original questoin has already been answered. I am locking this thread as it is turning into another useless battle. Pilots can choose to fly online or offline for a number of reasons, we don't always have to pull the discrimination card right off the bat. Matthew Temple Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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