Alex Bailey 969331 Posted July 25, 2007 at 09:23 PM Posted July 25, 2007 at 09:23 PM Why exactly does Vatusa, an organization for flying/controlling online, need a mascot? Alex Bailey ZMA I-1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Doubleday Posted July 25, 2007 at 09:40 PM Posted July 25, 2007 at 09:40 PM Careful... That question could potentialy be as open ended as asking for the job description of an air traffic manager... Andrew James Doubleday | Twitch Stream: Ground_Point_Niner University of North Dakota | FAA Air Traffic Collegiate Training Initiative (AT-CTI) Graduate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Bailey 969331 Posted July 25, 2007 at 09:52 PM Posted July 25, 2007 at 09:52 PM Lol, could be true I'm not trying to make my question sound mean or have it taken in a negative light, just wondering why we need a mascot. I, myself, might laugh at this if I was an outsider looking to join the network all over again. Alex Bailey ZMA I-1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Bartels Posted July 25, 2007 at 10:35 PM Posted July 25, 2007 at 10:35 PM A Mascot?! Honestly! Aren't there more important things? Like coming up with a salute, or policies or i don't know solutions to problems? You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain. Forever and always "Just the events guy" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kluempers Posted July 25, 2007 at 10:43 PM Posted July 25, 2007 at 10:43 PM Lets be sure to include a secret handshake as well. David Kluempers - 884266 VATSIM USA Division Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Basile 984342 Posted July 25, 2007 at 10:47 PM Posted July 25, 2007 at 10:47 PM (edited) I must concur with the observations above. We have far more pressing issues at hand that cry out for serious consideration and advocacy by our VATUSA leadership. Although I am not certain whether this thread was started as a joke, I am disappointed that we have time to talk about dogs - yet no one in leadership seems to have the time to comment on the serious changes that have been thrust upon us...changes that are being driven by individuals who are dangerously aloof, out-of-touch, and (evidently) unaccountable. Respectfully, Eric Basile Edited July 25, 2007 at 10:55 PM by Guest Eric Basile ATP, LR-JET, CE-500, CFI, CFII, MEI ZAU DATM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timothy Salamon 995912 Posted July 25, 2007 at 10:47 PM Posted July 25, 2007 at 10:47 PM Careful... That question could potentialy be as open ended as asking for the job description of an air traffic manager... I'm lost... why would an ATM need a job description? Timmeh! (ST) ZLA S3 N316BT, PAY7423, SWA6309, UPS431 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin A. Martin Posted July 25, 2007 at 11:09 PM Posted July 25, 2007 at 11:09 PM Okay guys..... I think Dennis just needed something to make this group more.....happy, or less woried about the stupid, "I disagree with this..." or "I hate this..." stuff. I think Dennis didn't do anything bad, in fact may have done something great by taking our minds off of every other bashing topic in this forum. Also, as Dennis noted, someone ELSE in VATUSA made the suggestion, so if you don't like it, don't take it up with Dennis. I think the most important thing is we are all having fun and having a good laugh, after all, isn't that what this is supposed to be? A fun, joyful hobbie that us people with similar interests share!!! Just a thought and I don't want anyone to take the wrong way [if it can be taken the wrong way(which it probably can)] Thanks, JM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Sumner 883451 Posted July 25, 2007 at 11:51 PM Posted July 25, 2007 at 11:51 PM Okay guys..... I think Dennis just needed something to make this group more.....happy, or less woried about the stupid, "I disagree with this..." or "I hate this..." stuff. I think Dennis didn't do anything bad, in fact may have done something great by taking our minds off of every other bashing topic in this forum. Also, as Dennis noted, someone ELSE in VATUSA made the suggestion, so if you don't like it, don't take it up with Dennis. I think the most important thing is we are all having fun and having a good laugh, after all, isn't that what this is supposed to be? A fun, joyful hobbie that us people with similar interests share!!! Just a thought and I don't want anyone to take the wrong way [if it can be taken the wrong way(which it probably can)] Thanks, JM This "stupid" discussion you refer to is an attempt by the membership to air thier opinions on a poorly explained policy. Communication is what we need, not more examples of our "leadership" ignoring the problems and not communicating with the members. Dennis has been appointed to be the leader of VATUSA, and since his appointment, the first communication we here from him is about some dang dog contest. Get real. The one thing you said I agree with is that this is supposed to be a fun hobby. If the leadership will get off thier cans and lead, settle these disagreements instead of ignoring them like some distant King, then maybe we can get back to having fun again. I know I sure do hope that happens. It is way past time for Dennis, or Craig to step up and settle this mess so that we can all get back to the hobby we love. In the meantime, we are rapidly losing a lot of great controllers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Temple 880167 Posted July 25, 2007 at 11:52 PM Posted July 25, 2007 at 11:52 PM Okay guys..... I think Dennis just needed something to make this group more.....happy, or less woried about the stupid, "I disagree with this..." or "I hate this..." stuff. I think Dennis didn't do anything bad, in fact may have done something great by taking our minds off of every other bashing topic in this forum. Also, as Dennis noted, someone ELSE in VATUSA made the suggestion, so if you don't like it, don't take it up with Dennis. I think the most important thing is we are all having fun and having a good laugh, after all, isn't that what this is supposed to be? A fun, joyful hobbie that us people with similar interests share!!! Just a thought and I don't want anyone to take the wrong way [if it can be taken the wrong way(which it probably can)] Thanks, JM Justin, If Dennis did not want to take heat for this idea, he should of let the originator of the idea post it up then. In my opinion I look at it this way. Approximately 4 threads below this one you have 228post/16 page thread going on where a representative of the BoG is trying his hardest to answer questions/clear up confusion on the upcoming MAJOR changes to an operational aspect of VATSIM. If I was understanding him correctly in his posts/clarifications there is room for the Divsions to further clarify issues relating to the policy via "local" policies. I just checked all 16 pages of the thread and there is not a single post where the DD of VATUSA has made a presence. It is apparent to me that the staff of VATUSA and the general membership would like to know where the winds of change are going to take them. Dennis may have his valid reasons for not jumping into that thread at this time and I don't fault him for that. However, by posting up a thread for a "mascot" it obivoulsy left a bad feeling based on the responses in this thread. So, yeah, a thread like this at this time is going to draw both negative and positive attention. Like anything else in life, you have to take the good with the bad. Remember, everyone may not be in the know what Dennis has cooking on the back burner so to them preception may be reality. Matthew Temple Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Polston 810032 Posted July 26, 2007 at 01:42 AM Posted July 26, 2007 at 01:42 AM Dennis has been appointed to be the leader of VATUSA, and since his appointment, the first communication we here from him is about some dang dog contest Just to set the record straight in Dennis' defense, the very first thing I saw him tell me as a member of VATUSA was something about setting up a roster of controllers to help with events. Independent of the boards and this thread, but nevertheless the FIRST thing I saw him send out to the division. Mark Polston vZTL ARTCC | VATSIM Supervisor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingo Harders Posted July 26, 2007 at 01:43 AM Posted July 26, 2007 at 01:43 AM I fail to see the connection between Flight simulation /controlling and mascots. Perhaps someone can enlighten me. (It may even improve my FPS). Regards N405HT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Jenkins Posted July 26, 2007 at 01:58 AM Posted July 26, 2007 at 01:58 AM Strange...I thought Harvey was our mascot. RJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Byrne Posted July 26, 2007 at 01:58 AM Posted July 26, 2007 at 01:58 AM No, that was Pepsi Cheers! Paul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffery Williams 849847 Posted July 26, 2007 at 04:29 AM Posted July 26, 2007 at 04:29 AM Not to speak for him, but perhaps Dennis doesn't feel that he is obligated to address some issues via this forum. If I have a problem with something I'll go straight to the source and we'll have a chat about it. Hopefully this constructive but respectful discussion will result in a resolution. How can you expect for someone to be receptive to input when you create an arrogantly toned thread on a forum to address issues that are already controversial? That's my half a pennies worth....and I think the dog mascot thing is a cool idea myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Byrne Posted July 26, 2007 at 06:01 AM Posted July 26, 2007 at 06:01 AM Hi Jeffery, ...but perhaps Dennis doesn't feel that he is obligated to address some issues via this forum. I would agree with you except he hasn't addressed any of these issues in any forums available to him. In the VATUSA ATM/DATM forum, Dennis has a total of 5 posts since June. The last was on July 11th(not related to Global standards) and before that it was June 19th. There is currently a discussion going on there for the last 2 days about these new policies with absolutely no input from Dennis. I hope this may help you understand why some of us are a little "peaked" by the thread. I still vote for "CA-CA" the chihuahua and as for a theme song, knowing some of the guys I know here, it could only be the "Looney Tunes" theme song Cheers! Paul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Wollenberg 810243 Posted July 26, 2007 at 07:15 AM Posted July 26, 2007 at 07:15 AM Excellent Paul!! As you know from the other forum, I agree 100%. Jeff, I'd have absolutely no problem with a thread like this either if the more important issues were being resolved first, or even at the same time. As Paul mentioned, this isn't the case at all. To make matters worse, it has been rumored (though not substantiated, since no staff will reply) that VATUSA will be implementing the new procedures far sooner (REALLY soon) than VATSIM as a whole. Of course, it is left upon the ARTCCs to figure out how to create policy and adapt to the new mandates in this short time, but nobody at VATUSA (or the EC for that matter) will answer any of our questions, or make any clarifications. I think that's why everybody is so frustrated. Roland has been working his behind off to see that our questions get answered, but it really isn't his place to be doing that. It's time for the VATUSA staff and EC to step up and start addressing some of the concerns. I understand the matter of choosing a mascot is a very pressing issue right now in VATUSA (:roll:), but maybe we can take care of this global ratings thing first? P.S. "CA-CA" the chihuahua...I love it! Bryan Wollenberg ZLA! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Wollenberg 810243 Posted July 27, 2007 at 06:56 AM Posted July 27, 2007 at 06:56 AM Guys, just to note, I had a pretty good e-mail conversation with Dennis tonight, and my impression is that he's getting things under control. The ATM/DATMs should be seeing something soon in regards to the rollout of the new policy, so that's a good thing. Hopefully a lot more of our questions will be answered then. In the meantime, let's hear it for CA-CA the Chihuahua!! He could use a few more votes. Bryan Wollenberg ZLA! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin A. Martin Posted July 27, 2007 at 01:37 PM Posted July 27, 2007 at 01:37 PM Fine.......Paul, you persuaded me.....CA-CA the Chihuahua it is!!!!!! P.S. Nice edit Bryan. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Williams 971839 Posted July 28, 2007 at 03:29 AM Posted July 28, 2007 at 03:29 AM "Zulu" the boston bulldog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Johnston 890281 Posted July 28, 2007 at 03:52 AM Posted July 28, 2007 at 03:52 AM Is this going to be a real dog? If yes, how will it be cooked? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Hare 907837 Posted July 28, 2007 at 10:58 AM Posted July 28, 2007 at 10:58 AM Leadership?...Mascot? I thought this was a hobby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Frothingham 811699 Posted July 28, 2007 at 12:44 PM Posted July 28, 2007 at 12:44 PM Yes, this is a hobby, and very good one at that. Since there is no half-time show, can we have em appear at different ARTCCs during the weekly events. Go CA-CA! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Temple 880167 Posted July 30, 2007 at 04:47 AM Posted July 30, 2007 at 04:47 AM Any news on the winning name and breed? Matthew Temple Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Quirion 919643 Posted July 30, 2007 at 05:19 AM Posted July 30, 2007 at 05:19 AM Marion Blakely... the Pomeranian (bitc* of course). On a more serious note... Aileron the Miniature Dachshund Stabalizer the Great Dane Zulu the Chihuahua I agree with Stabalizer or Aileron. Awesome names for a dog. Andrew Quirion ||FSX BUILD 8 GB XMS Corsair RAM ASUS GeForce GTX 560Ti PCI GFX 1T HD Intel Core i7-2600K 3.8 GHz CPU 750W Power Supply Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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