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I think that it would be a good idea of the 3 existing vACC's and 1 Division to each take up a FSS position to give full coverage to the entire African Continent. Here is what I propose:

 

Morroco/Algerie vACC - AFR_NW_FSS (Covering all of North West Africa)

Egypt vACC - AFR_NE_FSS (Covering all of North East Africa including Lybia, Sudan, Somalia and Ethiopia)

VATDRC - AFR_C_FSS (Covering all countries in Central Africa including Zambia, Mozambique, Kenya)

VATSAF - AFR_S_FSS (Covering all countries in Southern Africa including Botswana, Angola, Zimbabwe and Namibia)

Tony Kovacs

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I think this idea is not the newest one, but it's a good one. I heard about some month ago.

 

Does anybody knows how it is in real world? We need SOP's for that, call signs and frequencies. Also the most of the VATSIM members use ServInfo. We also need an update for this program to show that _FSS is online, just like Eurocontrole south.

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No there is no such thing in the real world, every vACC could decide what frequencey to use, the airspace must cover only FL235 and above, below that is optional, the system that should be used is position reporting (time/intersection ETA/FL).

 

First we need to determined who will do which FIR, once we know that we can make the submission to get this approved by VATAME and after that we can contact V-Route to tell them about the program. I think that idea of 4 controllers covering all of Africa is brutally efficient and practical, especially with the usual traffic load.

 

Right now the very first question would be if everyone would be in for this.

Tony Kovacs

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I totally agree with the idea although it leaks realism but will help grab some more traffic over the area

also i think i have made contact lately with a couple of sudannese guys who want to start their sudanese VACC so let's help this will be better

 

Finally Thanks Tony For the Idea and inviting me for the topic

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It Was, and you will

 

Lee or Bernard may also drop a word about the new active FSS.

 

Cheers,

Ilan

 

Well, AFI_N_FSS is active althought it does not display yet in Servinfo and Vroute, but it's only a matter of time. The new FSS is controlling a big area including the following FIRs (Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Lybia, Egypt, Senegal, Niger, Chad, Sudan and Ethiopia). Its frequency is 135.15. It handles traffic above FL245 .

 

Some tricks : If you use VRC to control AFI_N_FSS, you'll have to define two center positions to cover the whole area. you can do it with the following commands:

.vis1 MOK

.vis2 OWT

 

Bernard

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AFR_N_FSS is on the supervisors official list of FSS positions. Please could someone confirm the correct spoken call sign for AFR_N_FSS, as it's the only bit of information on the list that is missing.

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AFR_N_FSS is on the supervisors official list of FSS positions. Please could someone confirm the correct spoken call sign for AFR_N_FSS, as it's the only bit of information on the list that is missing.

 

The spoken callsign of AFR_N_FSS is "North Africa Control"

 

Bernard

So does this provide HF coverage as well? IRL it for sure isnt all radar.

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So does this provide HF coverage as well? IRL it for sure isnt all radar.

 

IRL, HF refers to a form of radio communication.. not radar. Not sure what you think it means.

I know what HF is. I also know parts of North Africa have no radar and VHF or just HF radio. This requires position reports and SELCAL in the HF areas.

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So does this provide HF coverage as well? IRL it for sure isnt all radar.

 

IRL, HF refers to a form of radio communication.. not radar. Not sure what you think it means.

I know what HF is. I also know parts of North Africa have no radar and VHF or just HF radio. This requires position reports and SELCAL in the HF areas.

 

In Egypt here we have a sector (south west) works with non radar procedures and as the Sudanese airspace work with no radars all operations are based on non radar procedures so they get the ETA of the entrance point in something like a SMS from the controllers of HECC FIR

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In Egypt here we have a sector (south west) works with non radar procedures and as the Sudanese airspace work with no radars all operations are based on non radar procedures so they get the ETA of the entrance point in something like a SMS from the controllers of HECC FIR

 

Ahmed, they really used something like SMS? What I know is that they use hotlines, just pick up the intercom and press the button it connects you there. That's what I saw when I went to the Area Control, but it was with Nicosia.

 

Anyway, I'd like to add, I've been in discussions about this station for some time now. Apologies, I got cut out, suddenly things took place and I wasn't touching the computer. The next thing, I'm suddenly in the Southern Most tip of Africa for almost a month and a half.

 

Glad it's on now.

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In Egypt here we have a sector (south west) works with non radar procedures and as the Sudanese airspace work with no radars all operations are based on non radar procedures so they get the ETA of the entrance point in something like a SMS from the controllers of HECC FIR

 

Ahmed, they really used something like SMS? What I know is that they use hotlines, just pick up the intercom and press the button it connects you there. That's what I saw when I went to the Area Control, but it was with Nicosia.

 

Yes they used something like a Text Message with the Sudan airspace controllers including in it a/c type,ETA To waypoint,FL,Mach and callsign not sure if there where other info

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something like a SMS from the controllers of HECC FIR

Would that be data link (CPDLC)?

 

Nah, a text message sent from controller to controller

 

Or shall I say

 

txt msg sent 4rm CTR to CTR. ; )

Ah ha, I couldn't quite work out if it was pilot to controller or controller to controller. Being ill affects my reading skills

Regards,

 

Paul O'Donnell

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