Alexander Nguyen 1028848 Posted October 1, 2007 at 05:37 AM Posted October 1, 2007 at 05:37 AM Does anybody know where I can find a good study guide for the ZLA Basic Exam? The SOPs are a bit difficult to understand and know fully. I found the specifics of the questions a bit difficult for a beginner like me. And no I am not whining or complaining. I am willing to retake the test but I just need help of better understanding the concepts. If anyone is willing to help me p[Mod - Happy Thoughts] the test I will be grateful. Thanks again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Elchitz 810151 Posted October 1, 2007 at 06:14 AM Posted October 1, 2007 at 06:14 AM In all honesty - the best (and only) study guide is http://www.laartcc.org ALL of the answers are available on the website. In fact - the entire purpose of the exam is to help you familiarize yourself with basic concepts, policies, and most importantly where to find things on the ZLA website. It's an open book test. When you retake it - pace yourself and don't be in a rush. All you have to do is look the answers up. Nothing is easy - but nothing is hard either, it's all a matter of enjoying the time it takes to learn. Hundreds of other beginners have slogged their way through the same exam. EDIT: I just noticed your other post. Be advised that on average it takes longer than 4 whole minutes to complete the test with a good chance for success. In all honestly - if the timing is in fact correct and this is any indication of your dedication - you are about to be quite dissapointed. Ian Elchitz Just a guy without any fancy titles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander Nguyen 1028848 Posted October 1, 2007 at 06:19 AM Author Posted October 1, 2007 at 06:19 AM Well I did kinda rush this first one. I'll try to find time next week to actually do it carefully. So much info i have to understand. What happens if 3 times and you don't p[Mod - Happy Thoughts]? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Doubleday Posted October 2, 2007 at 01:59 PM Posted October 2, 2007 at 01:59 PM In all honesty - the best (and only) study guide is http://www.laartcc.org ALL of the answers are available on the website. In fact - the entire purpose of the exam is to help you familiarize yourself with basic concepts, policies, and most importantly where to find things on the ZLA website. It's an open book test. When you retake it - pace yourself and don't be in a rush. All you have to do is look the answers up. Nothing is easy - but nothing is hard either, it's all a matter of enjoying the time it takes to learn. Hundreds of other beginners have slogged their way through the same exam. EDIT: I just noticed your other post. Be advised that on average it takes longer than 4 whole minutes to complete the test with a good chance for success. In all honestly - if the timing is in fact correct and this is any indication of your dedication - you are about to be quite dissapointed. Couldn't have said it better... gives you a good taste for what to expect at the facility for your training. If its too much, I might suggest finding another facility with more lax procedures. Chicago is much the same way with regards to the basic exam. Andrew James Doubleday | Twitch Stream: Ground_Point_Niner University of North Dakota | FAA Air Traffic Collegiate Training Initiative (AT-CTI) Graduate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rey Lopez 883899 Posted October 2, 2007 at 04:54 PM Posted October 2, 2007 at 04:54 PM WOW The thoughts and/or words or any general things that are expressed above are not a direct reflection of the views of the actual poster myself, Rey Lopez, and should be disregarded and left unread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Wollenberg 810243 Posted October 3, 2007 at 12:14 AM Posted October 3, 2007 at 12:14 AM Honestly, I don't think I could take and p[Mod - Happy Thoughts] the test in 4 minutes, and I know that stuff forward and backward. That's a question about every 5 seconds!!! In any event, as has already been mentioned, the Basic Exam will be the easiest thing you'll ever do at ZLA. We are a very intense and busy center, and as result, we demand a lot from our controllers. You really do need to start working a little harder if you plan to succeed at ZLA. We are more than happy to help you, but the Instructors and Mentors will only put forth the effort they get back from you. If you put forth no effort, you shouldn't expect to receive a lot of help in return. Bryan Wollenberg ZLA! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donovan Ernst 904151 Posted October 3, 2007 at 12:34 AM Posted October 3, 2007 at 12:34 AM you can try honolulu artcc. Its very easy to learn. we only have 10 questions on our sop test. all on an ipod touch!! Don Don Ernst I1, HCF_ATM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander Nguyen 1028848 Posted October 3, 2007 at 05:09 AM Author Posted October 3, 2007 at 05:09 AM I understand the need for serious ATC in this area as it is one of the busiest eras in Northa America. I can't join Honolulu because i don't live there. I am best around SOCAL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Littlejohn Posted October 3, 2007 at 06:21 AM Posted October 3, 2007 at 06:21 AM I understand the need for serious ATC in this area as it is one of the busiest eras in Northa America. I can't join Honolulu because i don't live there. I am best around SOCAL. Just so you know, you don't have to live in the area you want to control in. When I started with ATC, I lived in Vegas, but my choices were ZLA because of Vegas, ZMP because I was born/raised in Omaha, and YMMM because I knew Australian airspace, and any of them worked for me. Now that I'm split between Vegas and NorCal (I'm about 4 miles from the RW NorCal TRACON), I still control at ZLA. Heh.. we have some guys controlling there from all over, and ZLA is their primary spot. Same with ZOB, ZBW, and just about everywhere on the planet. That's one of the biggest advantages VATSIM has to offer. So don't feel that you have to limit yourself to where you physically are. BL. Brad Littlejohn ZLA Senior Controller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Alexander 878858 Posted October 3, 2007 at 08:31 AM Posted October 3, 2007 at 08:31 AM Like Brad said the place you live doesn't dictate the ARTCC you must join. Born in LA, raised in Chicago, lived a bit in Toronto, went to college in Colorado, now I'm back living in LA again yet I control at ZNY. I looked at ZLA, ZAU, ZDV, ZYZ, and ZNY closely before joining. In the end it was a toss up between Chicago and New York. What swung me over to ZNY was the opportunity to control the busiest traffic corridor around, that was pretty much it. Anyways, Alexander, take some time reading the ZLA SOP, read the available training material they have posted on their website, and don't be afraid to ask questions. It takes time and effort to work your way up as a controller, the more you put into it the more you'll get out of it. Good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Walsh 811659 Posted October 3, 2007 at 07:52 PM Posted October 3, 2007 at 07:52 PM Hehe, born and raised in Auckland, New Zealand. I control at ZLA...not only is LA not my area, its not in my "state" (we don't really have that concept), country, continent or hemisphere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Elchitz 810151 Posted October 3, 2007 at 08:22 PM Posted October 3, 2007 at 08:22 PM Hehe, born and raised in Auckland, New Zealand. I control at ZLA...not only is LA not my area, its not in my "state" (we don't really have that concept), country, continent or hemisphere As far as ZLA goes (off the top of my head): I'm from Canada The ZLA ATM (chief) is from Canada the ZLA TA (training guy) is from Russia There are at least 4 other Canadians on the roster We've got at least one controller living in Pakistan Of the previous 4 chiefs - one was American, the others were British (American expat), Canadian, and Australian (residing in the Garden State). Of the remaining lot who actually ARE american - a high number of them live further from SoCal than I do. So - controlling where you live is certainly not a requirement - and I might add one of the greatest things about Vatsim. Ian Elchitz Just a guy without any fancy titles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Doorgakant Posted October 3, 2007 at 08:42 PM Posted October 3, 2007 at 08:42 PM Hehe, born and raised in Auckland, New Zealand. I control at ZLA...not only is LA not my area, its not in my "state" (we don't really have that concept), country, continent or hemisphere As far as ZLA goes (off the top of my head): I'm from Canada The ZLA ATM (chief) is from Canada the ZLA TA (training guy) is from Russia There are at least 4 other Canadians on the roster We've got at least one controller living in Pakistan Of the previous 4 chiefs - one was American, the others were British (American expat), Canadian, and Australian (residing in the Garden State). Of the remaining lot who actually ARE american - a high number of them live further from SoCal than I do. So - controlling where you live is certainly not a requirement - and I might add one of the greatest things about Vatsim. And one from Ireland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francisco Obregon 1004310 Posted October 5, 2007 at 02:10 AM Posted October 5, 2007 at 02:10 AM Oh it hard, My 2nd time taking it, and failed the first time by like 2% i think, and the 2nd by more lol. Good thing I didn't buy you that microphone Eugene . Haaha JK. It's all good, Ill p[Mod - Happy Thoughts] it eventually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Solon Posted October 5, 2007 at 12:54 PM Posted October 5, 2007 at 12:54 PM As far as ZLA goes (off the top of my head): I'm from Canada The ZLA ATM (chief) is from Canada the ZLA TA (training guy) is from Russia There are at least 4 other Canadians on the roster We've got at least one controller living in Pakistan Of the previous 4 chiefs - one was American, the others were British (American expat), Canadian, and Australian (residing in the Garden State). Of the remaining lot who actually ARE american - a high number of them live further from SoCal than I do. So - controlling where you live is certainly not a requirement - and I might add one of the greatest things about Vatsim. Our ATC from Pakistan actually lives in the Philippines, I've just found out! Oh, and I live in Washington, DC as does one of our instructors. Honestly, I don't think I could take and p[Mod - Happy Thoughts] the test in 4 minutes, and I know that stuff forward and backward. That's a question about every 5 seconds!!! You took the test in four minutes? No wonder you failed it. Take your time is all I can say. TOM SOLON VATSIM NETWORK SUPERVISOR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Stjepanovic 963114 Posted October 5, 2007 at 04:49 PM Posted October 5, 2007 at 04:49 PM And one from Ireland You just had to expose me On a serious note, ZLA does have a lot of procedures etc, but once you grasp them it'll pay off. I've transfered there at the end of July, and have/am enjoying every second of it Controllers have feelings too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Rogers 913862 Posted October 6, 2007 at 01:41 AM Posted October 6, 2007 at 01:41 AM I understand the need for serious ATC in this area as it is one of the busiest eras in Northa America. I can't join Honolulu because i don't live there. I am best around SOCAL. I have controlled for practicly my whole vLife in Honolulu was even the ATM there for a term or two. I can't say that i live anywere close to Honolulu or Hawaii for that matter. I live in Maine.... OTHER side of teh country Andrew Rogers Senior Controller -HCF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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