TOO late response from pilots

[Michael Bonertz 966129]

I agree you should be able to answer back and comply with ATC instructions promptly. It makes it easier for ATC and in the long run makes it easier for pilots as well (cause we don't slow down everyone cause we are not doing what were suppose to).

 

To all you pilots out there: answer back and comply with what ATC says if you don't hear them ask them to repeat and if you don't understand ask them to clarify. I'm not ATC but I can say with confidence that they would probably prefer you to ask them a million questions than to not answer at all. And one more thing if your gonna get on and play here set aside some time to do it so you're not distracted during flight.

 

Now all you ATC type folks: be patient with us pilot types we come in all shapes and sizes some with thousands of hours some with only a few minutes. We fly different types of aircraft I personally fly helicopters a lot and believe me it is very hard to fly and type at the time (not that it's an excuse cause I can do it but it is very hard) and as you all know and are very familiar with if you have spent any amount of time flying here on VATSIM is that commo problems are out there and always pop up at the most inconvenient times. Get creative in how you communicate if you think its a commo problem.

 

That is all!!

 

Mike

[Samuel Chetty 1002608]

However, I suggest people new to VATSIM not to fly major events where it can be stressful for the controller. Of course it will happen, but I think we've (controllers) all gotten the hang of controlling events with a bad pilot once and a while.

 

Yeah, I try to stick with the small or mid-size airports. I would not even consider flying around O'Hare during a busy event until I have sharpened my skills a little .

[ARIEL MAISONET 811274]

Flying in busy airspace means:

 

CTR's can learn patience by learning to concentrate like RW Controllers (who sometimes get their read backs a minute after they shouted the clearance out).

 

To me this is to happen very seldom at least on busy airspaces. On real world not only you are required to read back promptly, simply is a must do.

 

Please listen to ATC monitor (real world ATC speech http://www.atcmonitor.com); monitor any frequency on any busy airport for example Atlanta.

 

Listen how fast all traffic responded to ATC; is amazing as I said before, seems like it were a phone call where two people are talking with no pause.

 

Yes!!!! I understand general population on VATSIM are not real world pilots and perhaps they don't have the slightest idea about how real world conversations been taken, but they can learn.

 

Lately I’m posting on my ATIS (text atis -while on approach or center) requesting a promptly read back at least with the word “Rogerâ€

[Rey Lopez 883899]

Flying in busy airspace means:

 

CTR's can learn patience by learning to concentrate like RW Controllers (who sometimes get their read backs a minute after they shouted the clearance out).

 

To me this is to happen very seldom at least on busy airspaces. On real world not only you are required to read back promptly, simply is a must do.

 

Please listen to ATC monitor (real world ATC speech http://www.atcmonitor.com); monitor any frequency on any busy airport for example Atlanta.

 

Listen how fast all traffic responded to ATC; is amazing as I said before, seems like it were a phone call where two people are talking with no pause.

 

Yes!!!! I understand general population on VATSIM are not real world pilots and perhaps they don't have the slightest idea about how real world conversations been taken, but they can learn.

 

Lately I’m posting on my ATIS (text atis -while on approach or center) requesting a promptly read back at least with the word “Rogerâ€

[ARIEL MAISONET 811274]

Rey, What is the precise part you don’t agree? I didn’t say nothing against pilots here; in fact I never said anything against pilots on all my interventions that I can remember, Did I?

[Kyle Gibson 937127]

Ariel,

 

What do you plan to do to fix this issue? This forum post will surely not do much, unless you create some program to fix it, which would be way too much I think. A new pilot probably won't check your ATIS. Also, you rarely hear "roger" in the real world, so that would be taking away realism. You're asking for someone not to do what you asked them because they'll just say roger. There is a less likely chance they will do what you said because they don't want to slow you down. I would suggest just letting pilots gain their own experience through flying (i.e. practice makes perfect). I would also suggest you also try to shorten the lengths of your messages and say the least but most (if that makes sense) amout possible to by you radio time for when this occurs. I have noticed that whenever you help out a new guy, and continue to be nice to them, they improve a lot more and will become frequent flyers at your ARTCC. You are setting a good reputation for your ARTCC. Who doesn't want that? Also, I think you're making it sound a little worse than it is. This is based on the traffic I handled last night at least.

[ARIEL MAISONET 811274]

Ariel,

 

What do you plan to do to fix this issue? This forum post will surely not do much, unless you create some program to fix it, which would be way too much I think. A new pilot probably won't check your ATIS. Also, you rarely hear "roger" in the real world, so that would be taking away realism. You're asking for someone not to do what you asked them because they'll just say roger. There is a less likely chance they will do what you said because they don't want to slow you down. I would suggest just letting pilots gain their own experience through flying (i.e. practice makes perfect). I would also suggest you also try to shorten the lengths of your messages and say the least but most (if that makes sense) amout possible to by you radio time for when this occurs. I have noticed that whenever you help out a new guy, and continue to be nice to them, they improve a lot more and will become frequent flyers at your ARTCC. You are setting a good reputation for your ARTCC. Who doesn't want that? Also, I think you're making it sound a little worse than it is. This is based on the traffic I handled last night at least.

 

I won’t react to this, because again it becoming personal and I don't have the time to start arguing again for things this thread as taken care already. Thanks!

 

[ My opinions on this thread are not necessarily Vatusa Staff opinions - I speak on my behalf ]

[Jason Baker 1028693]

ROGER is old like dust, and by no means represents understanding or sufficient acknowledgment of a given clearance.

In fact Pilots responding to such thing with ROGER cause the CTR to re-read the clearance and ask for read back, clogging up the freq even worse. There is no set time limit within a pilot has to respond to a clearance - the word reasonable could act like a guide.

 

"Roger" could be accepted when being told wind, and general non significant advisories - everything else is read back. I have seen "copy and paste" in textual clearances which fulfills the requirement of a read back but the pilot may "mentally" be not yet up to speed as to what he just acknowledged. By the time a clearance is read back it becomes secondary in the brain of the controller - everything that will go wrong from there (wrong altitude, heading, speed) will be on the Pilot.

 

Besides - Clearances given by a CTR do not prevent others from stepping in between communications making a timely response by the pilot impossible. Once people figure out that they are part of a system like this - they either get upset, because they can't always have everything the "Burger King - Have it your way" style or they pick up on it. Most pick up by listening and "copying" what others do.

 

A friendly CTR most certainly helps - a lot to help others learn and get better. I do not mind a "mouthy" controller, everyone has his own moods everyday. ARTCC's get their reputation with this, just like in real live - but so do the pilots within each ARTCC.

 

I don't know what I wrote that is so against Pilots either (?)

[ARIEL MAISONET 811274]

I am not sure why my posting make the impression that I’m making a substitution for a read back.

 

It is not . What I said is that I placed on my own ATIS that if pilots are too busy to type or read back at least say “ROGERâ€

[Jason Baker 1028693]

I am not sure why my posting make the impression that I’m making a substitution for a read back.

 

It is not . What I said is that I placed on my own ATIS that if pilots are too busy to type or read back at least say “ROGERâ€

[Kyle Gibson 937127]

Ariel,

 

What do you plan to do to fix this issue? This forum post will surely not do much, unless you create some program to fix it, which would be way too much I think. A new pilot probably won't check your ATIS. Also, you rarely hear "roger" in the real world, so that would be taking away realism. You're asking for someone not to do what you asked them because they'll just say roger. There is a less likely chance they will do what you said because they don't want to slow you down. I would suggest just letting pilots gain their own experience through flying (i.e. practice makes perfect). I would also suggest you also try to shorten the lengths of your messages and say the least but most (if that makes sense) amout possible to by you radio time for when this occurs. I have noticed that whenever you help out a new guy, and continue to be nice to them, they improve a lot more and will become frequent flyers at your ARTCC. You are setting a good reputation for your ARTCC. Who doesn't want that? Also, I think you're making it sound a little worse than it is. This is based on the traffic I handled last night at least.

 

I won’t react to this, because again it becoming personal and I don't have the time to start arguing again for things this thread as taken care already. Thanks!

 

[ My opinions on this thread are not necessarily Vatusa Staff opinions - I speak on my behalf ]

 

I'm not specificially saying "you", Ariel. It is a suggestion for all controllers. Anyway, the rest of that message is a valid point in my opinion. Where have these points been stated in this thread? I must have missed them.