Lennart Vedin Posted December 30, 2007 at 04:47 PM Posted December 30, 2007 at 04:47 PM (edited) Going to put a new PC together. Any ideas or other better suggests regarding performance and compability for the hardware to work together and to work with FS9 / XP Pro SP2 32-bit ? Myself im not a PC expert, just reading the spec to guess performance and presuppose the compability. Maybe someone has some good or bad experience. I'm running with two monitors, and with SB3 at separate computer. EDIT all changes is now: video, motherboard, RAM and HD VIDEO: ASUS GEFORCE 8800GT 512MB 2XDVI SLI HDTV PCI-E, 234 EURO http://www.dustin.se/DacsaPortal/?ProdID=5010118362 http://usa.asus.com/products.aspx?l1=2&l2=6&l3=442&l4=0&model=1938&modelmenu=2 CPU: INTEL CORE 2 DUO E6850 3.0GHZ 4MB 1333MHZ S-775, 252 EURO http://www.dustin.se/DacsaPortal/?ProdID=5010113351 http://www.intel.se/ Motherboard: GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS3L S-775 ATX, 88 EURO (I need COM1 and LTP1) http://www.dustin.se/DacsaPortal/?ProdID=5010123688 http://www.gigabyte.eu/Products/Motherboard/Products_Overview.aspx?ProductID=2629 RAM: 2x HYPERX 2GB DIMM DDR2 1066MHZ PC8500 CL5 (2X1GB) SLI-READY, 2x85 EURO (I'm aware approx 3GB RAM may be availabe for XP 32-bit). http://www.dustin.se/DacsaPortal/?ProdID=5010108985 http://www.valueram.com/datasheets/KHX8500D2K2_2GN.pdf HD: WESTERN DIGITAL RAPTOR 36GB 10000RPM SATA/150 (16MB Cache, 29db inactive), 94 EURO http://www.dustin.se/DacsaPortal/?ProdID=5010095779 http://www.westerndigital.com/ Case/Power: ACE SPADES-IV MIDITOWER 500W, 42 EURO (really low price, but not know what may be bad with it) ATX12V v2.0 ( +12V 8A, +12V 14A, +5V 20A, -5V 0.5A, -12V 0.5A, +3.3V 20A, +5V 2A) http://www.dustin.se/DacsaPortal/?ProdID=5010104284 http://www.ace-case.com/ Total 880 EURO include taxes. DVD & Floppy are already available. Two more interesting products: HD C[Mod - Happy Thoughts]ETTE 3.5# SATA-300 FÖR 5.25# , 18 EURO (plug HD direct) http://www.dustin.se/DacsaPortal/?ProdID=5010112397 http://www.deltaco.se/ HD C[Mod - Happy Thoughts]ETTE 3.5# IDE DK-100 ATA-133 FAN, 14 EURO (require c[Mod - Happy Thoughts]ette each HD) http://www.dustin.se/DacsaPortal/?ProdID=5010052683 http://www.deltaco.se/ Edited January 1, 2008 at 09:01 PM by Guest / Lennart Vedin / Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Kolin Posted December 30, 2007 at 05:21 PM Posted December 30, 2007 at 05:21 PM ASUS GEFORCE 8800GTS 512MB PCI-E, 300 EURO Before you get this, I'd check out the new 8800GT parts. They seem to offer better performance than the GTS at a lower cost. (need COM1, probably not gonna use SLI, but price and model suit me anyway) 2 pc. Kingston DIMM DDR2 2GB PC2-6400 800MHZ KIT (2X1GB), KVR, 2 x 50 EURO The $64,000 question: are you going to overclock? The Core 2 Duos can easily hit 3+ Ghz on air cooling; I've got my E6750 cranked up to 3.2Ghz without issues. If you're not going to overclock anything, you're probably OK. If you are, get an E6750 and some DDR2-1066, and let 'er rip. You can probably boost the FSB up to 1700 without breaking a sweat. SAMSUNG SPINPOINT 320GB SATA/300 7200RPM 16MB, 65 EURO(due to soundlevel 23dB inactive) I'd personally try and aim for the quietest 10K drive you can find. Cheers! Luke ... I spawn hundreds of children a day. They are daemons because they are easier to kill. The first four remain stubbornly alive despite my (and their) best efforts. ... Normal in my household makes you a member of a visible minority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lennart Vedin Posted December 30, 2007 at 05:53 PM Author Posted December 30, 2007 at 05:53 PM If you are, get an E6750 and some DDR2-1066, and let 'er rip. You can probably boost the FSB up to 1700 without breaking a sweat. Motherboard say "DIMM sockets support up to 8GB DDR2 800/667/533", and Front Side Bus 1333/1066/800/533MHz. I could change memory and motherboard to 1066 support if this is not minor improvment ? If feel unsure to overclock FSB more than the spec. I'd personally try and aim for the quietest 10K drive you can find. I havnt a que what is a 10K drive ?? EDIT: Allready got it, 10000 rpm of cause. ok. / Lennart Vedin / Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Kolin Posted December 31, 2007 at 02:05 AM Posted December 31, 2007 at 02:05 AM Motherboard say "DIMM sockets support up to 8GB DDR2 800/667/533", and Front Side Bus 1333/1066/800/533MHz. I could change memory and motherboard to 1066 support if this is not minor improvment? If feel unsure to overclock FSB more than the spec. It really depends on what you want to do. Overclocking the Core 2 Duo and Quad chips, while not guaranteed, it as close to a sure thing as you can get. There's tremendous headroom in those chips - and if you want to overclock then you should get memory that can at least get to DDR2-800, or preferrably 1066. My own rig has an E6750, which has a stock clockspeed of 2.66Ghz and a stock FSB of 1333Mhz (ie. RAM is DDR2-667). I have an ABIT IP35-E, which is a good basic board with excellent overclocking abilities. I bought 2GB of DDR2-800, and I've therefore cranked the FSB up to 1600Mhz, bringing the CPU to 3.2Ghz. Temps are nice and low, and the only thing I needed to do is a small .05V boost to the RAM voltage (don't be surprised to see plenty of DDR2-800 and DDR2-1006 needing to run at 1.9 to 2.1V - those are the manufacturer specs). But it's entirely your call. I think with DDR2-1066 you can easily get 3.4 to 3.6Ghz out of your CPU - you'd save some money by getting an E6750 and spending a touch more in RAM. Already got it, 10000 rpm of cause. ok. Rotational speed of drives is one of the biggest performance boosts you can give yourself - I have 15K U160 SCSI drives in my rig. They're pretty small (the largest is 36GB) but they are nice and fast. Cheers! Luke ... I spawn hundreds of children a day. They are daemons because they are easier to kill. The first four remain stubbornly alive despite my (and their) best efforts. ... Normal in my household makes you a member of a visible minority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Mason 953660 Posted December 31, 2007 at 02:24 AM Posted December 31, 2007 at 02:24 AM Personally, I would go higher than a 500w PSU. =] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Kolin Posted December 31, 2007 at 02:27 AM Posted December 31, 2007 at 02:27 AM Personally, I would go higher than a 500w PSU. =] I don't see why. I run an overclocked E6750, three 15K drives, two optical drives and an 8800GTS off of a single (albeit high-quality) 350W PSU. 500W should be plenty, provided one gets a decent model. Cheers! Luke ... I spawn hundreds of children a day. They are daemons because they are easier to kill. The first four remain stubbornly alive despite my (and their) best efforts. ... Normal in my household makes you a member of a visible minority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Reeder 961605 Posted December 31, 2007 at 05:44 AM Posted December 31, 2007 at 05:44 AM Go with a 8800GT. Much cheaper for almost the exact same performance as the gts. Check the benchmarks if you dont believe me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Littlejohn Posted December 31, 2007 at 06:18 AM Posted December 31, 2007 at 06:18 AM Go with a 8800GT. Much cheaper for almost the exact same performance as the gts. Check the benchmarks if you dont believe me. +1 I just got my 8800GT in and installed, and it blows just about anything out of the water, and at a good $100 - $150USD cheaper than the GTS ($364USD for the GTS at Newegg compared to $269 for the 8800GT). In my case, I bought the SSC version, and am still tweaking it. So far, I'm getting 50+ FPS smooth with the card, and I'm sure I can get plenty more out of it. This is with a 500W PSU as well. Definitely go with the 8800GT if it is available in your area. BL. Brad Littlejohn ZLA Senior Controller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lennart Vedin Posted December 31, 2007 at 10:01 AM Author Posted December 31, 2007 at 10:01 AM I'd personally try and aim for the quietest 10K drive you can find. I did look SATA 10000rpm, i only find a Western SATA/150, no SATA/300. Will SATA/150 (1.5MBit transfer) 10000rpm be better than SATA/300 (3.0MBit transfer) 7200rpm ? Else I understand the options, and i may look for 1066 and may stay with E6750. Thanks all for all suggests. It sure be the 8800GT, i did now look some compare reviews as well. / Lennart Vedin / Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Kolin Posted December 31, 2007 at 03:28 PM Posted December 31, 2007 at 03:28 PM I did look SATA 10000rpm, i only find a Western SATA/150, no SATA/300. Will SATA/150 (1.5MBit transfer) 10000rpm be better than SATA/300 (3.0MBit transfer) 7200rpm ? You're confusing rotational speeds with interface speeds. SATA (or Serial ATA I) has a maximum interface speed of 150MB/sec. SATA II maxes out at 300MB/sec. However, there's not a hard drive in existence that can consistently move data at this speed. All things being equal, a SATA II drive will perform the same as a SATA I drive, expect in a few really odd edge cases where data is in the drive cache but not the OS cache. In your scenario, the 10k drive running on SATA I will be noticeably faster than the 7200rpm SATA II drive since neither drive can saturate the bus and isn't limited by it. Cheers! Luke ... I spawn hundreds of children a day. They are daemons because they are easier to kill. The first four remain stubbornly alive despite my (and their) best efforts. ... Normal in my household makes you a member of a visible minority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lennart Vedin Posted January 1, 2008 at 12:43 AM Author Posted January 1, 2008 at 12:43 AM You're confusing rotational speeds with interface speeds. Im not at all confused (well not in this matter ), however you answered exactly my question. The bus data transfer speed is no matter because it is not a limitation (with a few exeptions), but the rotation speed (i.e. the data read speed) is the real important. Thanks, I go for that and the 10000rpm SATA/150 36GB, 95 EURO. / Lennart Vedin / Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lennart Vedin Posted January 1, 2008 at 08:56 PM Author Posted January 1, 2008 at 08:56 PM Thanks! I did finaly change most components, and i will order soon. I list changes in the first post, if just by interest, or if any opinion i will gratfull read them. I hope the RAM dual channel technology will work at 1066MHz, else i have to switch to 800MHz. The Kingstone 2GB are not in the motherboard VQL(Vendor Qualification List) for 1066MHz , but the Kingstone 1GB with same data-spec are. The HD C[Mod - Happy Thoughts]ETTE are Scandinavian products (not know worldwide provider), but its convenient to easy switch HD, like have one only for FS-purpose without problem-creating and performance-reducing antivirus, but just simple router-firewall. / Lennart Vedin / Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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