Michal Rok Posted March 3, 2008 at 03:56 PM Posted March 3, 2008 at 03:56 PM I just came back from one week of vacation and discovered 719 route additions and changes waiting for approval. It made me realize that the job I was doing on a daily basis is not a one man job anymore. I'm therefore looking for volunteers to help me with moderation. Apart from spare time, candidates must have significant experience with vroute database of routes (i.e. three stars in profile or more). Michal vroute.net founder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnathon Neilsen 955672 Posted March 3, 2008 at 09:45 PM Posted March 3, 2008 at 09:45 PM Micheal, I have contiously been adding routes to vRoute and I had 4 stars and now I only have 1? Otherwise Im more then interested! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michal Rok Posted March 3, 2008 at 09:52 PM Author Posted March 3, 2008 at 09:52 PM The task is actually relatively simple - you look up a website, where all submissions are shown, and your job is to click "accept" or "reject" according to what you see . Details about the decision making process will be supplied to selected candidates. Johnathon - I found only one account with your PID 955672 and it has 12 routes accepted and 1 rejected. This is by far not enough to get 4 stars, so I'm wondering what is the email address or PID that you used before? Michal vroute.net founder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnathon Neilsen 955672 Posted March 3, 2008 at 09:58 PM Posted March 3, 2008 at 09:58 PM The task is actually relatively simple - you look up a website, where all submissions are shown, and your job is to click "accept" or "reject" according to what you see . Details about the decision making process will be supplied to selected candidates. Johnathon - I found only one account with your PID 955672 and it has 12 routes accepted and 1 rejected. This is by far not enough to get 4 stars, so I'm wondering what is the email address or PID that you used before? Michal I havnet used any others I doont believe, but all I know is that I did have at least 3 or 4 and the next day I had none. Anyway Ill just add heaps of routes! Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michal Rok Posted March 3, 2008 at 09:59 PM Author Posted March 3, 2008 at 09:59 PM I havnet used any others I doont believe, but all I know is that I did have at least 3 or 4 and the next day I had none. Anyway Ill just add heaps of routes! Let's see how many of them will I accept Michal vroute.net founder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miika Asunta 961956 Posted March 3, 2008 at 10:18 PM Posted March 3, 2008 at 10:18 PM Why not delegate route approvals to local VACC staffs? They should have the best knowledge of local airways and valid routes. Miika Asunta Technical Services Manager VACC Finland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Thornton Posted March 3, 2008 at 11:07 PM Posted March 3, 2008 at 11:07 PM Wow I didn't realise you were doing it all on your own Michal! I'm keen to get involved but I can't find these 'stars' that you are talking about It's probably starting me in the face! Thanks, Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Mathieu 998318 Posted March 4, 2008 at 12:37 AM Posted March 4, 2008 at 12:37 AM I am willing to moderate routes submitted for Africa as I control (VATSIM) there and have some knowledge of the area. I often find pilots flying well outside of the airways while on enroute control. Best Regards, Thomas Mathieu VATAME1 Region Director VATSIM Africa Middle East http://www.vatame.net [email protected] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michal Rok Posted March 4, 2008 at 05:20 AM Author Posted March 4, 2008 at 05:20 AM Mark - you certainly have enough stars . 127 accepted routes - that puts you in the top 0.1% of all vroute users. @All: there's no such thing as "local" moderation. You can't moderate routes for a VACC or for a continent. This is because each route starts and ends in two different places, and overflies some more. I can't send each route for acceptance to 10 different people in sequence just because it is from London to Bangkok... Michal vroute.net founder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Thornton Posted March 4, 2008 at 10:19 AM Posted March 4, 2008 at 10:19 AM Thanks Michal. In that case, count me in! Where are these stars though?? I have to find them or they'll drive my insane Mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Heaney 879309 Posted March 4, 2008 at 11:28 AM Posted March 4, 2008 at 11:28 AM I Agree with what other people are saying, you need a diversity of people moderating your route database, people that specialize in different regions, North America, South America, Europe, etc... Why have a guy that flies mainly in Australia, adding in routes for Canada, when he has no idea? Yeah it's not going to be perfect, but I think you should try to pick from a wide range of expertise, maybe have the europeans leave the North American routes to someone in that area. Just a suggestion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michal Rok Posted March 4, 2008 at 01:21 PM Author Posted March 4, 2008 at 01:21 PM Somehow I'm doing the moderator job without excellent knowledge of Canada, Australia etc. I don't want to complicate the system further. I used to follow the path of having local moderators (in EUroute times) and it was too complex to be managed in real life. When there's 1 route per week for a specific country, I would spend less time accepting that route myself than making sure that folks from the respective VACC will do their job in a timely manner. Kimmo: The guy from Finland is unlikely to know Frankfurt at the same time. Mark: log on, click on your profile (flight details / ATC session details) and the stars will be next to your name. Michal vroute.net founder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Thornton Posted March 4, 2008 at 04:57 PM Posted March 4, 2008 at 04:57 PM Michal or anyone that knows, Are we talking about within the vroute application here for the stars? I can't find profile within it...only thing I though it might be under was configuration but theres nothing there. Mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michal Rok Posted March 4, 2008 at 06:44 PM Author Posted March 4, 2008 at 06:44 PM Mark, yes, we're talking of vroute, When you click on any flight or ATC for details, you can see some stars next to the name of the pilot/controller, if that person is a vroute user and has submitted some routes in the past. The number of stars is in relation to the number of such contributions. Michal vroute.net founder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Thornton Posted March 4, 2008 at 07:02 PM Posted March 4, 2008 at 07:02 PM Aha! Now I see them. Thanks Mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Thornton Posted March 4, 2008 at 07:55 PM Posted March 4, 2008 at 07:55 PM I've got a bad feeling that I have cleared my data as I currently have no stars - i reinstalled Vroute to try and find the 'profile page', turns out I didn't need to though! My offer of becoming a moderator still stands though Michal. Thanks, Mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michal Rok Posted March 4, 2008 at 09:58 PM Author Posted March 4, 2008 at 09:58 PM Make sure that you use the same email as before during all new installations. This way all of your personal settings (vatsim id, stars, preferences, friends, communities, airac cycle) will be recovered automatically. Michal vroute.net founder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Thornton Posted March 4, 2008 at 10:00 PM Posted March 4, 2008 at 10:00 PM Yeah i've got the same communities, friends etc but no stars next to my name. Ah well, you've confirmed I have enough to meet the criteria Mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arunas Stankevicius 843737 Posted March 5, 2008 at 03:28 PM Posted March 5, 2008 at 03:28 PM Michal... what is my rate in terms of starts? Best regards Arunas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michal Rok Posted March 5, 2008 at 04:06 PM Author Posted March 5, 2008 at 04:06 PM Arunas, let's say that your application will be reviewed on exceptional basis . 90% of your contributions were back in EUroute times, so they did not count... Michal vroute.net founder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michal Rok Posted March 5, 2008 at 04:32 PM Author Posted March 5, 2008 at 04:32 PM Correct. As long as the submission was approved. Michal vroute.net founder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arunas Stankevicius 843737 Posted March 6, 2008 at 03:22 PM Posted March 6, 2008 at 03:22 PM I don't like exceptions except if it is better for me I don't understand why work what was done for EURoute doesn't count if it isd still useful... but. So. Michal, you can count me in if you need. Best regards Arunas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michal Rok Posted March 6, 2008 at 08:27 PM Author Posted March 6, 2008 at 08:27 PM It counts - in a way that I appreciate the work everyone did. For technical reasons, since EUroute and vroute do not share the user database, the "stars" in vroute do not reflect your submissions in EUroute. Michal vroute.net founder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michal Rok Posted March 12, 2008 at 07:41 PM Author Posted March 12, 2008 at 07:41 PM Thanks to everyone who offered help. The "recruitment" is now over and I'm happy to welcome Mark Richards and Mark Thornton as two new moderators. Michal vroute.net founder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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