What you should know when flying to Brazil.

[Lucas Pott 1056838]

Some areas it is RVSM, and others conventional, like at Navegantes SBNV.

 

Look, the 123.450 is used as UNICOM frequencies in every place here in Brazil, the 122.70 in jundiai is a frequency used as Flight Information Service, not UNICOM.

 

I am a real pilot sudent, and at the ANAC (Brazilian National Civilian Aviation Agency) tests to get the real BREVET, there is a question asking that , and the right answer is 123.450.

 

Other real pilots can say that too.

 

Well, is not all airspace RVSM, but great part is, and is a RVSM equal the USA.

[Thomas George 827476]

Great post to keep us informed before flying to Brazil. Thanks for taking the time to write this up.

[Lucas Pott 1056838]

Yeah, anything whats you or anybody wants to know, please Ask here.

[Aggrey Ellis 964561]

What If I'm using FsInn 1.3, which tunes you to Skyblue Radio on 123.45

[Lucas Pott 1056838]

ohh, is right, have one problem, but the soluction is here :

 

 

http://www.vatsim.com.br/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7725&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=everton

 

But in Portuguese.

 

 

:::

[Lucas Pott 1056838]

Hum...

 

 

One more thing:

 

In Brazil, ALL _APP work with _DEP too ok...

 

Is default...

[Everton Machado 822064]

Some areas it is RVSM, and others conventional, like at Navegantes SBNV.

 

Look, the 123.450 is used as UNICOM frequencies in every place here in Brazil, the 122.70 in jundiai is a frequency used as Flight Information Service, not UNICOM.

 

I am a real pilot sudent, and at the ANAC (Brazilian National Civilian Aviation Agency) tests to get the real BREVET, there is a question asking that , and the right answer is 123.450.

 

Other real pilots can say that too.

 

Well, is not all airspace RVSM, but great part is, and is a RVSM equal the USA.

 

Hi folks!

 

ALL the Brazilian Airspace is RVSM.

 

The RVSM airspace begins on FL 290. So, how the Navegantes (SBNF actually) airspace could be non-RVSM if it´s a Terminal Area (from GND to FL145)?

This is also a question of ANAC tests...

[Lucas Pott 1056838]

Is this it!!!

 

 

[Eduardo Passos]

It's been a long time since anyone posted here but i'd like to say that João's work is one of the best summary of a country's airspace. Unfortunately English is spoken by a very very few. So this reflects itself in ATC service. At VATBRZ some of us, while active, offer ATC services in English (as it's in real-life). so I hope that people from other countries fly here to help us becoming better at english-spoken ATC service

[Lucas Pott 1056838]

Well,

 

In my opinion, The controller of SP_APP and RIO_APP need to speak english, and who control this position sometimes not speak english.

 

I see some controllers like: P[Mod - Happy Thoughts]os, Dálio, Rios, Azevedo controlling with english very good.

 

In RIo_APP i only see: P[Mod - Happy Thoughts]os, Gentile, Bastos and ME whats be there Speak english.

 

 

Look, sometimes i see one controller (i will not say the name) whats give the vector to pilot, but all wrong and after disconnect.

 

Let's try to did the better but the times it is not our fault

[Dylan Bastress]

Guys, yesterday I flew into Brazil (o Brasil) for the first time (KMIA-SBGR). I didn't know this thread existed before today, but I appreciate everything that was posted here. The biggest issue I had was communicating with ATC and understanding how you guys do your STARS and approaches. How do I know what other traffic is doing (on unicom) if I don't speak Porteguese?

[Eduardo Passos]

Dylan, unfortunately, while flying in Brasil airspace without ATC service, it's mandatory to monitor UNICOM FREQUENCY 123.45. Some pilots speak english and they may help you if you just call. Usually a pilot should write useful information that although in portuguese, it isn't difficult to understand like: PT-ECP subindo FL320 pela UW64 (you can understand PT-ECP FL320 UW64). Trouble is that as mentioned before, there isn't so many ATCs that speak english in Brasil as everywhere, except in english spoken countries and some countries of Europe. So I do recommend that you put the needed info, like your callsign, where are you (FL, distance from a know fix - VOR if possible - airway, next fix) what's your intentions and you can use simbols (DYLAN 90nm NW BRS VOR --> SBBR ---> UW1 ---> SBGR, in which anyone who studies or had studied maths will understand that you are flying to SBBR but still hasn't reached BRS VOR, after then you will fly UW1 airway until SBGR. You can send a msg telling that you are descending FL320-->FL120). As in real life, the shorter the better

[Everton Machado 822064]

Dylan,

 

When there is an ATC online, all traffics on his airspace should listen to the active frequency instead the Unicom. So, if you are under controlled airspace, you can "forget" the other traffics and follow the ATC instructions. If there´s no controller, I agree w/ you that it´s a problem for foreign people.

 

On the main TMAs, the STARs are always used, and you have to follow that, but the controllers have to say to the pilot if he has to follow the STAR "VIA" (following all altitudes, etc - ex. 1 below) or just the horizontal path (I forgot how to say it in English) with the ATC saying the altitudes (ex 2). In some situations, the APP controller can give you a vector for spacing or sequencing to land.

Example 1: UAL801, proceed VIA Rede09 arrival, report p[Mod - Happy Thoughts]ing RDE VOR.

Example 2: UAL801, cleared Rede09 arrival, descend and maintain FL120.

 

Almost all STAR procedures bring you to a FAF (final approach fix) on a IFR approach, so, when you complete the STAR, you have to intercept an ILS, VOR, NDB or GNSS final approach procedure.

 

Was it your doubt?

[Dylan Bastress]

Gentlemen,

 

This is the route I used from KMIA: EONNS1 EONNS URSUS UL795 PSN

 

From what I could understand from the VATSIM Brasil website, I had to be [Mod - Happy Thoughts]igned a STAR approach into SBGR by ATC, I couldn't pick one. Because there was no ATC, I chose the TUCA 09 STAR. The approach controller was on-and-off several times while I was flying, but based on his ATIS, I saw that he was using the Charlie 2 arrival.

 

A couple questions: Why can't the pilot choose the STAR as part of his flight plan? This would allow the pilot to program the approach fixes in his FMS before hand. Second, what is the difference between the Charlie 1 and Charlie 2 arrivals? Why would a pilot use one over another?

 

Thanks for your help.

 

BTW, is there any good scenary for Brazil or Brazilian airports for use with FSX?

[Everton Machado 822064]

You selected the correct STAR!

 

As we can see on the chart below, the TUCA09 STAR has 2 start point: one at PSN and other at PCL.

http://www.aisweb.aer.mil.br/aisweb_files/cartas/star/bgrtuca09.pdf

 

From PSN, you have to follow the chart profile until TUCA (IG) NDB, then intercept the final approach procedure, usually the ILS Charlie 2.

 

Other chart that can help who fly to GRU and CGH: http://www.aisweb.aer.mil.br/aisweb_files/cartas/arc/arcrjsp.pdf

 

As TORK09 also begins at PSN, with no ATC, you can choose it also.

 

There are two STARs to rwy 09 and its use depends directly on rwy in use at SBSP (CGH/Congonhas arpt). I´m not "specialist" on SP TMA and I dont remember which procedure should be used in each case, but when there´s no ATC, if you coordinate on UNICOM, you can choose one of them at your discretion. Due to "language reasons", turn the crash off on FS is a good way to complete your flight safely

 

The main difference between Charlie 1 and 2 is the holding pattern, but as in this case you start the procedure at IG, you can choose either C1 or C2.

 

Regards!

[Dylan Bastress]

Thanks, Everton, for your help. I'll make it a point to fly in Brazilian airspace more often. Do you know where I can find some good Brazilian scenery for FSX?

[Fernando Coelho 1074097]

Hi Dylan,

 

I'm on the lookout for a good FSX scenery too. None on the horizon yet, as far as I know.

I guess this guy's site is a good bet for the future:

 

http://www.pstair.com.br/marcato/sao/sao.html

 

Welcome to our country, make yourself at home. Feel free to ask me to help you in English in our airspace.

Just tell me when you intend to come and I'll try to be on a private chat.

 

Fernando

[Fernando Coelho 1074097]

BTW, There will be a meeting this Sunday. Why don't you drop by?

This event is called Super Ponte Aérea (Super Air Bridge:normally

flown between Congonhas and Santos Dumont - SBSP-SBRJ). There

will be ATCs who can control you in English. I have already seen some of

them controlling pilots in English. The meeting will be held

on Dec 21 at 01:00 PM (ZULU time). Our local time normally is GMT-3

BUT during summer Day Light Saving (DSL) schedule reigns so we

move closer to Greenwich.

 

Bye

 

Fernando

 

 

[Joao Paulo Yuehan 974154]

Thanks, Everton, for your help. I'll make it a point to fly in Brazilian airspace more often. Do you know where I can find some good Brazilian scenery for FSX?

 

hey there

 

check our this site. it's in portuguese (sorry)

http://www.terra-brasilis.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=section&id=19&Itemid=313

 

its divided acc. to the brazilian regions

Norte = North

Nordeste = Northeast

Sudeste = Southeast

 

when you get there, check the airport icaos and nice flight

[Joao Paulo Yuehan 974154]

Just noticed many WB aircrafts flying from/to Sao Paulo and departing from Congonhas Airport (SBSP). This airport's main runway is quite short (1940m) and it's surrounded by many buildings, some of them tall.

 

I do know planning the flight, checking runway lenght is a must for pilots, but just want to remember that if people intend flying to Sao Paulo with heavy loaded WBs, they should take Guarulhos Airport (SBGR) as departing/destination. It's an int'l airport located 17 miles of Sao Paulo and fully capable of receiving those WB.

 

Some pictures to ilustrate.

1st. some of the buildings around Congonhas.

 

2nd. this KingAir overshot the runway in Sept. 2008.

[Joao Paulo Yuehan 974154]

this one wasnt showing up, so I'm uploading it again.

 

2nd. this KingAir overshot the runway in Sept. 2008.

 

Both images were taken from Globo website.

[Joao Paulo Yuehan 974154]

I was flying to Sao Paulo and ATC told me to descend via Tuca09 arrival, expecting C2 approach.

 

What that heck that means?

 

Well, you can take 2 conclusions out of that.

1st. when ATC tells you to descend via, it means "follow the procedure". You can either set your FMC or consult the chart. Or even better, both. If you were [Mod - Happy Thoughts]igned to follow the chart procedure, ATC expects you to accomplish with speed and altitude determined. You will be under surveillance (different of being under vectors). If you're not able to follow the chart, advise the ATC online and request vectors to the runway.

 

2nd. If you have the Tuca 09 arrival chart, you'll be able to see all the waypoints and NDBs/VOR of the procedure. It's kind of "route" that you should follow. And if you have the C2 iac chart, you will see that it's an ILS approach to runway 09R.

 

 

I'm not here to teach anyone on how to interpetrate charts, but here it goes to ilustrate.

 

 

 

Make sure you have the right charts.

 

Tuca 09 arrival

 

 

and C2 iac. in green additional info as Missed approach procedure, MSA, DH, DA etc

 

 

Check what your entering point is. In this example, PCL was part of our route.

 

 

 

 

Recognize the waypoints you should cross.

 

 

 

Respect speed and altitude determined. Ex: you should cross LANE int. between FL110 and F090 with max speed of 250IAS. (the green area is where you should expect clearence to intercept the ILS).

 

 

 

If you're flying an aircraft with no FMS, you can follow the procedure using radials, QDR and QDM. (As Tuca09 is both RNAV and vor/ndb procedure).

 

 

 

complete the approach. As CAST was our last int. in Tuca09 arr, it's our first in C2 iac.

 

 

 

 

If you have the runway insight before the MDA', have a great landing. Otherwise go around and look after an alternative airport.

Campinas (SBKP) and Rio (SBGL) are nice ones.

 

 

 

Why using RNAV procedures when using vectors is so much easier and cooler?

Well, this region of Sao Paulo holds the 2 busiests airports of Brazil (Guarulhos and Congonhas), separated by 17 miles. Between them there's a smaller airport used by private jets, pilot students and by hundreds of helicopters and other light aircrafts everyday. About 50nm to the north, there's the Brazil's busiest cargo hub (situated in Campinas). With hundreds of traffic crossing each other in this crowded space, respecting altitude [Mod - Happy Thoughts]igned by the chart procedures will [Mod - Happy Thoughts]ure you don't conflict with any other departing/arriving traffic from/to other airports.

 

There are, in Brazil, some airports where ATC will always use vectors because, as I said, it's easier and cooler.

 

Cya.