Aggrey Ellis 964561 Posted September 22, 2008 at 11:39 PM Posted September 22, 2008 at 11:39 PM Would you reccomend the new CH Eclipse that was just announced here or the Saitek Pro Flight System ZLA I11 VATCAF S1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Salter 993001 Posted September 23, 2008 at 12:15 AM Posted September 23, 2008 at 12:15 AM Well both are really nice to use-quick comparision: The yoke is more realistic especaially if you are a Boeing user. The downside is the throttle axis's are very small and almost tedious to work with. Saitek offers everything but it has a nice throttle lever that is bigger and more tangible to use. I also find this more helpful if you are in an emergency situation and need to act fast. Saitek also offers much more programmable buttons that the CH does not have. If you are an Airbus flier, don't get the CH. Other than that the choice is yours. When you're buying the product make sure to get the cheapest one. Some websites will try to sell it to you for $100 more than another site. So do your research before giving away the credit card number. Mark Salter VATCAR - Port-Au-Prince FIR CRJ [Mod - Happy Thoughts]istant Chief Pilot Delta Virtual Airlines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Dobbs 964344 Posted September 23, 2008 at 01:03 AM Posted September 23, 2008 at 01:03 AM I have the old CH Yoke and I love it. I'll be buying the new one as well (if the lady lets me) But I dont fly scare bus so it fits me just fine! Matthew Dobbs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aggrey Ellis 964561 Posted September 23, 2008 at 01:26 AM Author Posted September 23, 2008 at 01:26 AM I have an X52 for buses. I fly Boeings,Cessnas,Bombardiers,and Embraer too.Currently I use the X52 for all of them. ZLA I11 VATCAF S1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garry Morris 920567 Posted September 23, 2008 at 02:24 AM Posted September 23, 2008 at 02:24 AM I have the Saitek Yoke and throttles. I'll have to say I like the idea of the Saitek's throttles a lot better. I don't have to reach up over the yoke, and I have a huge range of movement to fine tune my throttle/prop/mixture (I have the throttle and prop set to L and R engine for my various bizjets), plus you get 3 rocker switches you can also program. I've set mine to handle the lights and spoilers so I don't have to go fishing on the panel for them. If you have some place you can try both before you buy, I'd recommend it so you can find out what's best for you. http://www.execjetva.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Perry Posted September 23, 2008 at 02:47 AM Posted September 23, 2008 at 02:47 AM The new CH Eclipse yoke just looks silly to me but I imagine it's a quality product that will last you a while. The old style CH yoke (the one they still sell) does everything I need, including a button for screenshots. Rudder pedals work fine too. Before that I had the old CH yoke that had the old game-port connection (you know, on the back of your sound blaster 16 card?). Used that thing for almost a decade and no problems. I've also used CH for some industrial, one-off joysticks and they performed as advertised and even survived quite a bit of abuse. I have yet to have a CH product fail on me after being a customer for about 13 years. I have a Saitek joystick which is holding up very well over the first year. Nothing bad to say about it, but I just don't have the history with that brand. Steven Perry VATSIM Supervisor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shannon Mason 810297 Posted September 23, 2008 at 03:24 AM Posted September 23, 2008 at 03:24 AM I have the Seitek yoke/pedals, the Seitek version looks more realistic & feels more realistic too. A friend of mine at CAP donated his CH yoke (thats why I got the seitek, cuz he got one too!) and I was not impressed with the CH yoke anyway. And to whomever said that to watch for the prices on Seitek yoke/pedals, this is VERY VERY true.. my friend got his for less than $150 on sale when I went to go get it at the same place he got his, they were charging more than I was willing to buy it for so I went to newegg and they had it just under $150 not on sale though and was still within reason so I bought it against my ideal budget. I also bought a logitech wireless joystick and I have my old X45, need to sell it haven't bothered trying either. I replaced the X45 for health reasons as it was hurting my shoulder/arms, etc even after adjusting the tension on the X45... the yoke is so much better for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antonio Palmieri Posted September 23, 2008 at 03:34 PM Posted September 23, 2008 at 03:34 PM Nice thread guys! Just what I wanted to figure out too, from first hand users. About the toe brakes- A couple of weeks ago I was out flying the Piper 181 with a dear vatsim friend. Beside the PPL, he's also got the Saitek yoke and pedals. We were discussing how close it is to reality, and saitek scored very high in fidelity. Except, perhaps, for the pressure that has to be applied to the toebrakes, ie much higher in real life. The rudder pedals have the adjustable friction thingy. But what about the brakes? Anyone with the saitek pedals and a realworld experience? Antonio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shannon Mason 810297 Posted September 23, 2008 at 05:40 PM Posted September 23, 2008 at 05:40 PM Nice thread guys! Just what I wanted to figure out too, from first hand users. About the toe brakes- A couple of weeks ago I was out flying the Piper 181 with a dear vatsim friend. Beside the PPL, he's also got the Saitek yoke and pedals. We were discussing how close it is to reality, and saitek scored very high in fidelity. Except, perhaps, for the pressure that has to be applied to the toebrakes, ie much higher in real life. The rudder pedals have the adjustable friction thingy. But what about the brakes? Anyone with the saitek pedals and a realworld experience? Antonio I haven't been at the controls of a 172/182 since my intro flight, but IIRC the toe brakes are at the bottom, not the top? And it seems that the rudder pedal in RL don't swivel like the seitek/CH pedals? (you know, push one in, the other goes out). I could not get the toe brakes to work properly in FS, so I've disabled it for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antonio Palmieri Posted September 23, 2008 at 06:12 PM Posted September 23, 2008 at 06:12 PM but IIRC the toe brakes are at the bottom, not the top? OMG, I'm really sorry to hear that! Was he born like that or does he do a headstand when braking? (What is IIRC by the way?) And it seems that the rudder pedal in RL don't swivel like the seitek/CH pedals? (you know, push one in, the other goes out). What is RL? I'm confused. DO the Saitek/CH pedals act like the ones in realworld, where if I push one in the other comes out? I could not get the toe brakes to work properly in FS, so I've disabled it for now. Hmmm, I really need this toe brake business to work. Nothing like taxiing a real 172 in 15kts gusting 30 realising my X52 just didn't prepare me for that! Antonio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shannon Mason 810297 Posted September 23, 2008 at 06:17 PM Posted September 23, 2008 at 06:17 PM but IIRC the toe brakes are at the bottom, not the top? OMG, I'm really sorry to hear that! Was he born like that or does he do a headstand when braking? (What is IIRC by the way?) I'm not sure what you're getting at, IIRC=IF I Remember Correctly And it seems that the rudder pedal in RL don't swivel like the seitek/CH pedals? (you know, push one in, the other goes out). What is RL? I'm confused. DO the Saitek/CH pedals act like the ones in realworld, where if I push one in the other comes out? As I said, I don't recall the rudder pedals swiveling in a RL airplane (RL=Real Life), its been ages since I've been at the controls of a GA plane so I can most likely be wrong. I could not get the toe brakes to work properly in FS, so I've disabled it for now. Hmmm, I really need this toe brake business to work. Nothing like taxiing a real 172 in 15kts gusting 30 realising my X52 just didn't prepare me for that! Antonio Well, differential braking helps with turning even with GA airplanes, all of the CAP pilots who I've flown with will use the left brake regularly to do a 360 on the ramp so we can push the plane back into the hangar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garry Morris 920567 Posted September 23, 2008 at 07:25 PM Posted September 23, 2008 at 07:25 PM The Cherokee I flew a couple of years ago had toe brakes on the...toe area of the pedal. The top. Pressing one brake has no effect on the other brake - they are for the separate wheels. The brakes were attached to the rudder pedal at the back - they travelled back and forth with the pedals, but were totally separate surfaces than the pedals themselves (if memory serves). The rudder pedals are counterforce - push the left pedal and the right pedal comes toward you, and vice versa. The brakes are not - push one brake pedal, the other is unaffected. The Saitek pedals respond very similarly. Instead of a separate pedal above the toe, the entire rudder pedal rocks for brakes, hinging in the heel (so pressing your toe pivots in the top of the pedal for brake action). Push the entire left rudder, the right rudder pedal comes towards you. I've got the pedals set up for differential analog braking - I can partially or fully use the brakes on that side, just like the real thing. The CH Pedals work very similarly from what I've read. http://www.execjetva.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antonio Palmieri Posted September 24, 2008 at 12:54 AM Posted September 24, 2008 at 12:54 AM The Cherokee I flew a couple of years ago had toe brakes on the...toe area of the pedal. The top. Pressing one brake has no effect on the other brake - they are for the separate wheels. The brakes were attached to the rudder pedal at the back - they travelled back and forth with the pedals, but were totally separate surfaces than the pedals themselves (if memory serves). The rudder pedals are counterforce - push the left pedal and the right pedal comes toward you, and vice versa. The brakes are not - push one brake pedal, the other is unaffected. The Saitek pedals respond very similarly. Instead of a separate pedal above the toe, the entire rudder pedal rocks for brakes, hinging in the heel (so pressing your toe pivots in the top of the pedal for brake action). Push the entire left rudder, the right rudder pedal comes towards you. I've got the pedals set up for differential analog braking - I can partially or fully use the brakes on that side, just like the real thing. The CH Pedals work very similarly from what I've read. Excellent! Thanks Garry... just what I was looking for. Antonio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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