Yvan Ung 987353 Posted October 5, 2008 at 02:15 AM Posted October 5, 2008 at 02:15 AM For the next VATEG fly-in, I wish I could pilot either from Egypt to HCMM or from HCMM to Egypt. But as HCMM (Mogadishu) just had its first night with ATC tonight (and I expect HCSM airspace, of which HCMM is its primary airport, to staff more in the weeks to follow) so I expect to have charts in handy for that airport. Are they drawn yet? Regards, Yvan Ung Come pilot the longest and sharpest flying pencils of the online world! China Eastern Virtual Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aggrey Ellis 964561 Posted October 5, 2008 at 03:09 AM Posted October 5, 2008 at 03:09 AM For the next VATEG fly-in, I wish I could pilot either from Egypt to HCMM or from HCMM to Egypt. But as HCMM (Mogadishu) just had its first night with ATC tonight (and I expect HCSM airspace, of which HCMM is its primary airport, to staff more in the weeks to follow) so I expect to have charts in handy for that airport. Are they drawn yet? It's kinda hard to get information for a country like Somalia. I dont think HCMM is even in use right now. You'd probably need Jeppesen. Navigraph doesnt cover it, but who knows someone at VATCAF might manage to pull the rabbit out of the hat somehow. ZLA I11 VATCAF S1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Kovacs 958372 Posted October 5, 2008 at 03:14 AM Posted October 5, 2008 at 03:14 AM (edited) We were staffing and flying at HCMM today in preparation for an event we will be doing there soon. This entire country has only one NDB. There are no other navigation aids or ILS anywhere in the entire country. We use military style Precision Radar Approach procecures for IFR aircraft in IFR conditions and have proven today that we can handle landings in the required 1 mile visibility conditions safely. The details of the event will be made available to the public shortly. Tony Kovacs VATCAF Movement Control Edited October 5, 2008 at 03:29 AM by Guest Tony Kovacs MOVCON - Movement Control Instructor http://www.vatcaf.org "Who Cares Who's the Best!" Until heaven is open 24/7 just waiting for you to screw up this is all just a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Mathieu 998318 Posted October 5, 2008 at 03:24 AM Posted October 5, 2008 at 03:24 AM Movement control testing is underway and very sucessful at Mogadishu. Expect more news soon Best Regards, Thomas Mathieu VATAME1 Region Director VATSIM Africa Middle East http://www.vatame.net [email protected] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aggrey Ellis 964561 Posted October 5, 2008 at 03:46 AM Posted October 5, 2008 at 03:46 AM I thought the ATC IRL was provided from Kenya and flights below a certain level and into Mogadishu were at your own risk. ZLA I11 VATCAF S1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Mathieu 998318 Posted October 5, 2008 at 04:11 AM Posted October 5, 2008 at 04:11 AM For the next VATEG fly-in, I wish I could pilot either from Egypt to HCMM or from HCMM to Egypt. But as HCMM (Mogadishu) just had its first night with ATC tonight (and I expect HCSM airspace, of which HCMM is its primary airport, to staff more in the weeks to follow) so I expect to have charts in handy for that airport. Are they drawn yet? If you "expect" to fly into or depart from HCMM Mogadishu, be sure to download the scenery http://www.vatcaf.org/sceneries.php as FS9 default scenery does not have the aprons and taxiway. Best Regards, Thomas Mathieu VATAME1 Region Director VATSIM Africa Middle East http://www.vatame.net [email protected] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Mathieu 998318 Posted October 5, 2008 at 04:15 AM Posted October 5, 2008 at 04:15 AM I thought the ATC IRL was provided from Kenya and flights below a certain level and into Mogadishu were at your own risk. In IRL, special missions are set up for movements in an airspace such as Somalia. Although there is no fixed government ATC, the UN regularly sets up radar service for it's missions within Central Africa. Best Regards, Thomas Mathieu VATAME1 Region Director VATSIM Africa Middle East http://www.vatame.net [email protected] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ahmed Hasan 958620 Posted October 6, 2008 at 07:12 AM Posted October 6, 2008 at 07:12 AM I am shocked to say that even Jeppesen Don't have this Ahmed H[Mod - Happy Thoughts]an Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Kovacs 958372 Posted October 6, 2008 at 12:55 PM Posted October 6, 2008 at 12:55 PM I am shocked to say that even Jeppesen Don't have this We weren't kidding Tony Kovacs MOVCON - Movement Control Instructor http://www.vatcaf.org "Who Cares Who's the Best!" Until heaven is open 24/7 just waiting for you to screw up this is all just a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Baxter 920557 Posted October 6, 2008 at 06:25 PM Posted October 6, 2008 at 06:25 PM When the DAFIF was up they had old USAF charts for the area. DAFIF is gone, but maybe someone saved them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Mathieu 998318 Posted October 6, 2008 at 10:16 PM Posted October 6, 2008 at 10:16 PM I am shocked to say that even Jeppesen Don't have this You are correct, Mogadishu is a place you do not want to fly your Air France 747 into. Missions here are reserved for the local airline and special UN or military Missions. Cars use the runway to avoid the perils of driving thriough the city. If there is a VATCAF Movement Control position open online at the airport, landing there will be at your own risk. The runway is about 10,000 feet in length, about 40 feet in elevation. and has 2 aprons (you must use the scenery add-on in above post to see the aprons). The runway is oriented on a heading of about 050/230, FS 2004 lists the rwy's as 05/23 and AIRAC 0810 FMC data lists the rwys as 04/22. VATCAF Movement control has [Mod - Happy Thoughts]igned the rwy numbers 05/23. There is only 1 NDB docomeented in the entire country of Somalia so RNAV is you best bet finding your way around here. More info will be posted as the VATCAF specialized team digs it up. Best Regards, Thomas Mathieu VATAME1 Region Director VATSIM Africa Middle East http://www.vatame.net [email protected] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aggrey Ellis 964561 Posted October 7, 2008 at 12:08 AM Posted October 7, 2008 at 12:08 AM I am shocked to say that even Jeppesen Don't have this You are correct, Mogadishu is a place you do not want to fly your Air France 747 into. Missions here are reserved for the local airline and special UN or military Missions. Cars use the runway to avoid the perils of driving thriough the city. If there is a VATCAF Movement Control position open online at the airport, landing there will be at your own risk. The runway is about 10,000 feet in length, about 40 feet in elevation. and has 2 aprons (you must use the scenery add-on in above post to see the aprons). The runway is oriented on a heading of about 050/230, FS 2004 lists the rwy's as 05/23 and AIRAC 0810 FMC data lists the rwys as 04/22. VATCAF Movement control has [Mod - Happy Thoughts]igned the rwy numbers 05/23. There is only 1 NDB docomeented in the entire country of Somalia so RNAV is you best bet finding your way around here. More info will be posted as the VATCAF specialized team digs it up. Do they even have a few AM radio stations? ZLA I11 VATCAF S1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yvan Ung 987353 Posted October 7, 2008 at 12:52 AM Author Posted October 7, 2008 at 12:52 AM I have the HCMM add-on. But more adventurous pilots can try and pilot HCMM, cars or no cars. Taking off here is no big deal, but one has to be patient when landing. Regards, Yvan Ung Come pilot the longest and sharpest flying pencils of the online world! China Eastern Virtual Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco Balzarotti 1004607 Posted October 7, 2008 at 10:55 AM Posted October 7, 2008 at 10:55 AM The Mogadishu Aden Adde International Airport is today almost in disuse due to the war in Somalia, only military and UN flights are still using HCMM for their movements. The few commercial/civil flights made by several minor african airlines to and from Mogadishu are located at the "K50 Airport". The K50 name is derived from its location 50 kilometres south of Mogadishu, no IATA and no ICAO codes available for this airport. The K50 Airport is not available in the FS2004 default scenery. K50 Airport specs: Runway is 04/22 Runway Surface is made of sand Runway lenght is 5,698Ft There is something similar in the default FS2004 scenery and it is the Uadan Highway Strip, ID code is Z27P. The Uadan Highway Strip is basically made of a paved 3.600Ft runway with Rwy markings 25/7 and the runway it is exactly built over an highway. The "airport" is on the top of a 1.000ft hill south of HCMM. I think that flying an event at HCMM with PRA only would be simply amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Mathieu 998318 Posted October 7, 2008 at 11:52 PM Posted October 7, 2008 at 11:52 PM I think that flying an event at HCMM with PRA only would be simply amazing. Stay tuned...VATCAF is planning an event at HCMM this month. Best Regards, Thomas Mathieu VATAME1 Region Director VATSIM Africa Middle East http://www.vatame.net [email protected] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yvan Ung 987353 Posted October 7, 2008 at 11:59 PM Author Posted October 7, 2008 at 11:59 PM Just hope the whole event is not just about PRAs! Regards, Yvan Ung Come pilot the longest and sharpest flying pencils of the online world! China Eastern Virtual Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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