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This is mainly for pilots, but what the h-e-double toothpicks, the rest of you can read too!

 

I'm hearing quite a bit of this (at least in N. Amer. airspace; I know it's different in Europe) when I'm controlling, so I thought a nice little discussion here might be worthwhile.

 

Say you're controlling, and you have a pilot on an approach to a field. Visibility is good, and the pilot can see the field from at least 10nm away. You clear him for the visual approach. [Mod - Happy Thoughts]uming you're providing Tower services for that field, you clear the pilot to land. But, for some reason, he isn't able to land safely, and calls out on the channel that he is 'going on a missed approach'.

 

Examine this for a moment. At least in the US, the only approaches (note: not STARs) that have any sort of 'missed approach' instruction, are INSTRUMENT approaches. Not even the charted visual approaches contain missed approach procedures. This is because a VISUAL approach is not an INSTRUMENT approach. You are relying off of what you are seeing outside your window, instead of your gauges. Here's an example.

 

Compare ILS 28L with GPS 28L, both at KSFO. You will see that you have your fixes, radials, etc. But note that you also have your Missed Approach procedure instructions to fly out to some fix and hold. If you call missed, and ATC doesn't give you vectors back to the arrival, you should be headed out to that fix and prepare to hold.

 

By contrast, compare the both of those to a visual approach, which you have no charts, and are flying by how things look to you outside your window. Or even better, try the Quiet Bridge Visual 28L/R approach, also at KSFO. While this is a charted approach, it is visual, as the chart is based off of visual references instead of instruments. Note the lack of a missed approach procedure. Because of this, pilots can not call a 'missed approach'. If a pilot is having a problem with getting their plane down, please notify ATC. ATC will issue a go-around, followed by some instructions. This may not be the same as what you would see in an instrument missed approach procedure, so be ready for vectors back to the arrival.

 

Just remember. Go-arounds are given by ATC on visual approaches. Missed Approaches are called by the pilot on instrument approaches.

 

Feel free to discuss!

 

EDIT: Oh yes... one more thing.. Turning this whole thing around, if said pilot was cleared for a visual approach, and was told to go around, and ATC told him to 'fly the missed approach procedure as published', ATC really should expect to hear an 'unable' reply. Why? see above.

 

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Just remember. Go-arounds are given by ATC on visual approaches. Missed Approaches are called by the pilot on instrument approaches.

 

I agree 100% with the whole post. Just want to add that a pilot can call a go-around as well. It does not have to be issued by ATC.

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According to the glossary in the 7110, the controller would use "Go around" regardless of whether or not the aircraft was on an instrument approach. If the pilot was on an instrument approach, he'd then execute the missed approach procedure. Again, this is just what the glossary says ... real world controllers may use the phrase "execute the missed approach". I suspect though, that the phrase "Go around" might be preffered in the case of an unexpected aircraft on the runway, because that phrase carries a bit more urgency with it. And note that it would probably be followed up with additional instructions, such as an altitude to climb to, or just "execute the published missed approach procedure."

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According to the glossary in the 7110, the controller would use "Go around" regardless of whether or not the aircraft was on an instrument approach. If the pilot was on an instrument approach, he'd then execute the missed approach procedure. Again, this is just what the glossary says ... real world controllers may use the phrase "execute the missed approach". I suspect though, that the phrase "Go around" might be preffered in the case of an unexpected aircraft on the runway, because that phrase carries a bit more urgency with it. And note that it would probably be followed up with additional instructions, such as an altitude to climb to, or just "execute the published missed approach procedure."

 

Completely Agree

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According to CAP493 which is the UK controllers' bible the ATC instruction is "Go around, I say again, go around". Once the pilot has acknowledged with "going around", ATC will issue further instructions such as "follow missed approach procedure", or "left hand circuit, report downwind" or specific headings/altitudes

 

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Yes, Pilots can most definently initiate a go-around as well. Its drilled into our heads in primary training. If you dont like how it looks, dont try and salvage it..Might go something like this.

 

 

"LA Tower N149FA, 4 mile final 25L"

 

TWR:"9FA winds 270 at 10, runway 25L, cleared to land"

 

"Cleared to land, 25L, 9FA"

 

"Tower, 9FA, Going around"

 

TWR: "9FA roger, fly runwy heading c/m 2,000, contact departure 124.50"

 

"Runway heading, 2,000 and departure 124.50, 9FA"

 

 

 

---TWR controller overides the departure controller

 

TWR:"Departue, LA Local"

 

DEP: "Go ahead"

 

TWR: "Got N149FA coming back to you on the missed approach to 25L, runway heading and 2,000 [Mod - Happy Thoughts]igned"

 

DEP:"MS"

 

TWR:"AF"

 

OR

 

If you arent busy and departure can accomodate you just have them join the pattern if they were on the visual approach. Again you would need to let departure control know whats going on.

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Yes, Pilots can most definently initiate a go-around as well. Its drilled into our heads in primary training. If you dont like how it looks, dont try and salvage it..Might go something like this.

 

I'll agree with this.

 

 

"LA Tower N149FA, 4 mile final 25L"

 

TWR:"9FA winds 270 at 10, runway 25L, cleared to land"

 

"Cleared to land, 25L, 9FA"

 

"Tower, 9FA, Going around"

 

TWR: "9FA roger, fly runwy heading c/m 2,000, contact departure 124.50"

 

"Runway heading, 2,000 and departure 124.50, 9FA"

 

 

 

---TWR controller overides the departure controller

 

TWR:"Departue, LA Local"

 

DEP: "Go ahead"

 

TWR: "Got N149FA coming back to you on the missed approach to 25L, runway heading and 2,000 [Mod - Happy Thoughts]igned"

 

DEP:"MS"

 

TWR:"AF"

 

Problem here, is that if the tower isn't radar certified, how is he/she going to know that the arrival is on the ILS or not, unless the pilot indicates that? Using the above, Tower wouldn't know, so he couldn't say anything about a missed approach (linguistically), as the pilot didn't indicate what approach he was on.

 

If you arent busy and departure can accomodate you just have them join the pattern if they were on the visual approach. Again you would need to let departure control know whats going on.

 

Oh, absolutely. I agree wholeheartedly here. To be honest, the purpose of my post was to make sure that we differentiate missed approaches from go-arounds. I've seen/heard more of the former than the latter used in the wrong context, and thought we should bring this to light.

 

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Some interesting discussion taking place here. I'd like to add a real world UK controller's perspective if I may:

 

All IFR aircraft inbound to EGNV are given "Expect vectors for the ILS r/w 23 or 05" (unless of course ILS is out of service in which case it will be another instrument approach. If the weather is good, Radar will ask the pilot to "Report when you have the field in sight and would like to continue visually". If this happens, radar asks Tower for a visual approach (as only Tower can authorise), and then the aircraft is transferred. This means if the pilot goes around, technically they should already have the relevant instrument approach chart in front of them as that is what they were initially instructed to fly.

 

In any event, if an IFR aircraft goes around for whatever reason and the weather is good, I ask the pilot if they are happy to fly a visual circuit to land. If so, I tell radar, and issue a circuit clearance that will keep the pilot to the South of the airport (due to local procedures). They stay with me, I get them to report downwind/final and clear them to land. If they are not happy with a visual circuit or the cloud is SCT/BKN/OVC less than 2000ft (approx), then I will expect a heading to be issued by Radar otherwise they will reply "standard" when I tell them the aircraft has gone around (Indicating Standard Missed Approach). If I am under any doubt that the pilot will not know what the Standard missed approach is, then I will p[Mod - Happy Thoughts] the Missed Approach Procedure as instructions on the r/t (ie Midland 5WT, climb to altitude 3000ft QNH 1013 route to the TD (NDB) and expect to hold. Contact Radar 118.85").

 

Either way, the first thing to do when an aircraft goes around is to inform Radar, that is priority. If Radar has someone in the hold (at EGNV, the NDB hold is on a 3.8nm final for runway 23), and an aircraft goes around from 05 they will more than likely issue a "stopclimb" or an immediate turn to deconflict from traffic in the hold.

 

Hope that sheds a bit more light on how real world ops work over here,

 

 

 

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I dont recall seeing it mentioned anywhere, but I think a rather salient point here is that if a pilot on IFR flight plan and clearance and is in fact issued a visual approach, it's important to understand that until such time as either the pilot cancels IFR or the wheels touch the ground, he's still IFR and separation services MUST be provided. So it's encomebent upon the tower or controlling facility to issue vectors and altitude on the go around in my opinion.

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I dont recall seeing it mentioned anywhere, but I think a rather salient point here is that if a pilot on IFR flight plan and clearance and is in fact issued a visual approach, it's important to understand that until such time as either the pilot cancels IFR or the wheels touch the ground, he's still IFR and separation services MUST be provided. So it's encomebent upon the tower or controlling facility to issue vectors and altitude on the go around in my opinion.

 

Separation services must be provided, but "c/m 2000, make left traffic" is a perfectly valid form of separation on a visual approach if a go-around is called. Nothing says that an aircraft has to be flown out and then asked to re-aquire the field... that's pointless. If traffic permits, the aircraft will clearly have the field in sight while executing a go-around, so why not just have the pilot enter the traffic pattern?

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I dont recall seeing it mentioned anywhere, but I think a rather salient point here is that if a pilot on IFR flight plan and clearance and is in fact issued a visual approach, it's important to understand that until such time as either the pilot cancels IFR or the wheels touch the ground, he's still IFR and separation services MUST be provided. So it's encomebent upon the tower or controlling facility to issue vectors and altitude on the go around in my opinion.

 

Joe,

 

An aircraft that executes a go around an the conclusion of a visual approach is considered VFR. It has reached i's clearance limit (the airport), and there is no published missed approach procedure.

 

I have spoken to an air traffic controller who works KSQL tower in northern California, and these were his words, "as soon as they cross the numbers on a visual, they're VFR"

 

Your point seems logical on initial review, but consider the case where you file an IFR flight plan to a VOR or a fix. Once you reach the clearance limit, you are no longer IFR.

 

Practically speaking, I can't think of a reason why an aircraft that goes around on a visual approach should be treated like anything other than another aircraft doing pattern work.

 

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Problem here, is that if the tower isn't radar certified, how is he/she going to know that the arrival is on the ILS or not, unless the pilot indicates that? Using the above, Tower wouldn't know, so he couldn't say anything about a missed approach (linguistically), as the pilot didn't indicate what approach he was on.

 

I honestly think that if an approach or center controller were working an IFR arrival into ANY towered field, they will call via landline to the local tower and let them know all the pertinent details. I can't imagine a situation where this type of communication would not happen (in the real world). In the VATSIM environment, this may happen all the time, but again, I seriously doubt it happens real world.

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In the real world, I constantly hear pilots telling the tower on initial contact if they're on visual or not. That has always made me wonder if it's the pilot's responsibility to do so, or if that's just a convenient "backup" to the landline communication between the controllers.

 

Any real world IFR pilots wanna chime in?

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I think a real world controller would be a better source to confirm or refute my thoughts. Pilots are not privy to ATC landline communications, though they may (or not) be told by ATC to advise tower of such info.

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Agreed, Craig. Although what I was wondering is what IFR pilots are trained to do in the real world, if anything, regarding telling the controller if they are on a visual or not. I'm led to believe that they are supposed to indicate if they aren't on an IAP, since I hear so many of them doing so.

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An aircraft that executes a go around an the conclusion of a visual approach is considered VFR. It has reached i's clearance limit (the airport), and there is no published missed approach procedure.

 

I have to say there's nothing written in the UK Manual of Air Traffic Services (MATS) which states that to my knowledge, and it must be a difference of country - but I would NEVER cl[Mod - Happy Thoughts] an IFR flight as VFR unless he specifically requests to cancel IFR clearance. Standard seperation will ALWAYS be maintained for IFR flights on a visual approach - on a go around or not. At the end of the day though, if it's clear enough for a visual approach, it's clear enough to employ what is known as "Reduced seperation in the vicinity of an aerodrome" which means that as a Tower controller if I can see both aircraft (eg if IFR a/c goes around and another a/c in the circuit), I can reduce seperation. Likewise, if the second pilot can see the first and is happy to maintain own seperation then again that's acceptable.

 

All a technicality - whilst you will treat them like VFR flights, they most definately are still IFR (certainly in the UK anyway).

 

 

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Agreed, Craig. Although what I was wondering is what IFR pilots are trained to do in the real world, if anything, regarding telling the controller if they are on a visual or not. I'm led to believe that they are supposed to indicate if they aren't on an IAP, since I hear so many of them doing so.

 

Ross,

 

If the pilot reports visual to Radar then they will ask Tower for a Visual Approach. As far as the tower is concerned from that point onwards, the pilot has been cleared for a visual approach therefore IMHO do not have to tell the Tower they are on one. This is confirmed if the aircraft is handed off downwind as it will be obvious then that the pilot is on a visual otherwise they'd still be with Radar getting vectors. Majority of pilots flying into the airport I work at will report on initial contact to me "Tower, Eastflight 69ZI wide right base 23 visual approach" or similar.

 

 

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So, Chris, your understanding is that the pilot doesn't need to tell Tower that he's on visual, since Tower will already know due to coordination with Radar? Makes me wonder why so many pilots say they're on visual when they check in on final. Just courtesy, maybe.

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Ross,

 

That is my take on it yes - since Tower has the final say (or again, certainly in the UK) as to whether an aircraft can have a visual approach. And yes, with regards to checking in on frequency that way I believe it is a mix of courtesy, and also possibly because the pilots aren't aware that Radar has to co-ordinate with Tower?

 

 

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An aircraft that executes a go around an the conclusion of a visual approach is considered VFR. It has reached i's clearance limit (the airport), and there is no published missed approach procedure.

 

I have spoken to an air traffic controller who works KSQL tower in northern California, and these were his words, "as soon as they cross the numbers on a visual, they're VFR"

 

I've been told that they are not VFR until their wheels touch the runway. What if pilot is on a visual approach, and has to go around for some reason, then encounters clouds or other visual obscuration during his climbout? If he's VFR, he'd have to request IFR during his climb. Doesn't seem practical. Obviously there are a couple of rare factors that would have to come together for this scenario to occur ... the weather on the approach side of the airport would have to be better than the weather on the departure end (I've certainly seen this happen), and the pilot would have to call a very late go-around, just after crossing the numbers but before touching down. Unlikely, but possible. Reasons like that are why I was told that you are still IFR until you touch down.

 

I wonder if the controller you were talking to was generalizing a bit, and what he meant was that the aircraft is considered VFR once there is no longer any chance of a go-around?

 

On VATSIM, at Boston, we treat IFR go arounds as IFR. As Tower, if the pilot is on a visual approach and goes around, I ask him if he wants to stay with me for a visual circuit, or if he'd like to go back to approach for vectors to an IAP.

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Ross,

 

That is my take on it yes - since Tower has the final say (or again, certainly in the UK) as to whether an aircraft can have a visual approach. And yes, with regards to checking in on frequency that way I believe it is a mix of courtesy, and also possibly because the pilots aren't aware that Radar has to co-ordinate with Tower?

 

The pilot doesn't need to know about the coordination. He's either on a visual or not, so he can certainly inform Tower if needed. Consider the common scenario where both Visual and ILS approaches are in use ... without coordination between Radar and Tower for every arrival, Tower will have no way to know which type of approach each arrival is on, unless like you said, they check in on downwind. Since I hear so many pilots informing Tower if they're on visual, I've often wondered if the pilot was supposed to tell Tower if he's on visual, thus removing the need for coordination.

 

At the tower where you work, does radar coordinate with every plane that's on visual? Seems like a lot of coordination ... maybe busy fields have LOAs with radar allowing them to not coordinate every visual. Some fields use more visuals than instrument apps.

 

I have a related question ... as Tower, do you need to know if the pilot is on visual for any reason other than handling the go-around? I cannot think of any reasons off the top of my head other than just a comfort level, in cases where a pilot is following a leading aircraft on visual, with less than the required radar separation, or if two are on parallel approaches at a field where the runways are too close for anything but parallel ops in visual conditions.

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Problem here, is that if the tower isn't radar certified

 

Your right, i was speaking specifically about LAX_TWR...If the TWR has not been radar certed then a quick call to the departure controller for climb out instructions is all thats needed.

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