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On 1/10/2022 at 2:29 PM, Sunil Hans said:

the guy sounded like a real controller

It's possible he was, but, it's also probable he was not.  VATSIM controllers are, on the whole, well-trained relative to the fact that we're amateur volunteer hobbyists.  It certainly can be intimidating.  Picture the dude on the other end in his PJs sipping a coffee or an adult beverage while he controls and it's a bit easier on the mind.  🙂 

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4 minutes ago, Robert Shearman Jr said:

Picture the dude on the other end in his PJs... and it's a bit easier on the mind.  🙂 

Or the most terrifying thing you can imagine LOL! 😉 😉 😉

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7 hours ago, Robert Shearman Jr said:

I was going to go there but decided to tame it down... 😉 

Better than picturing a naked audience. For some reason that one never helped me. In my case, it's a lack of confidence in my setup at the moment, Yoke/pedals are still buggy or MSFS is. Also, need to get used to the G1000 and knobster which I finally configured today but I might just put on a Cessna panel and go old school six pack and VFR.

Private Pilot, not current. New to VATSIM/ATC SIMs in general. I'm nice, you be nice.

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Hi.  I'm new to Vatsim - I haven't flown yet.  Right now I'm going through the IFR Communications Manual to learn everything I can.  I was wondering if it's possible for me to go online and practice just one aspect of getting clearance, and then disconnect.  For example, getting IFR clearance via clearance delivery and then logging out, without taxiing or taking off.  Would doing this cause any problems?  I'm assuming the answer is yes, and I would I be expected to complete my entire flight as filed.  I'm asking because I'm concerned that by jumping in feet first I'll get overwhelmed.  Alternatively, would be better if I start out in a class D or even C airport first, and practice, and then work my way up from there?

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Getting a clearance and then disconnecting is fine, jf that's what will help you feel more comfortable.  Pilots disconnect all the time and the circumstances don't always permit advance notice or explanation.

As for starting at a C or D -- it may not matter, due to the way top-down staffing works.  So I say, start where you're most familiar so you're focusing on one new aspect of the operation at a time.  Just make sure traffic levels are light and the controller isn't overwhelmed by the workload.  You'll have a better experience by working with a controller who is able to slow down, repeat, and explain as necessary.

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12 hours ago, Robert Shearman Jr said:

Getting a clearance and then disconnecting is fine, jf that's what will help you feel more comfortable.  Pilots disconnect all the time and the circumstances don't always permit advance notice or explanation.

As for starting at a C or D -- it may not matter, due to the way top-down staffing works.  So I say, start where you're most familiar so you're focusing on one new aspect of the operation at a time.  Just make sure traffic levels are light and the controller isn't overwhelmed by the workload.  You'll have a better experience by working with a controller who is able to slow down, repeat, and explain as necessary.

Thanks for the tip!  Will do...

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Hi there.  I  have another orientation question.  Very shortly, I'm going to practice my clearance delivery communication and I just want to make sure I have this right.  It would be greatly appreciated if anyone could tell me.  I'll be departing VFR from a class C (I think - or at least B) airport CYYZ (Toronto) to a class D airport (Guelph)

My ICAO will be WAKE - I'm not with an airline so I think that's the correct format

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ME:

Toronto Clearance, Whisky Alpha Kilo Echo.. VFR to Guelph. Information [ATIS Phonetic code]. 

CLEARANCE DELIVERY CONTROLLER:

Whisky Alpha Kilo Echo cleared to Guelph Municipal Airport as filed. Maintain xxx thousand, expect xxx thousand xxx minutes after departure. Departure frequency xxxx. Squawk xxx.

ME:

Cleared to Guelph as filed. Maintain xxx thousand, expect xxx thousand xx minutes after departure. Departure xxx. Squawk xxx. Whisky Alpha Kilo Echo.

CLEARANCE DELIVERY CONTROLLER:

Whisky Alpha Kilo Echo, readback correct. Contact Ground xxx when ready to taxi.

ME:

Whisky Alpha Kilo Echo

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A few questions; is this correct?  Also, do I have request to start my engine, and if so with whom (Ground I'm guessing).  And do i let Ground or Clearance know where I'm parked? (I'm guessing Ground)

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Is "WAKE" a typical registration or callsign in Canada? You should either use the aircraft registration when simulating a general aviation flight (e.g. C-WAKE = CHARLIE WHISKEY ALPHA KILO ECHO) or an airliner/operator callsign plus a flight number.

For your IFR clearance don't forget that you will most probably get some kind of "departure procedure" assigned and not just "as filed".

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1 hour ago, Andreas Fuchs said:

Is "WAKE" a typical registration or callsign in Canada? You should either use the aircraft registration when simulating a general aviation flight (e.g. C-WAKE = CHARLIE WHISKEY ALPHA KILO ECHO) or an airliner/operator callsign plus a flight number.

For your IFR clearance don't forget that you will most probably get some kind of "departure procedure" assigned and not just "as filed".

Thanks for the info. My first flight will be VFR I think....Will that make a difference?  And by departure procedure, do you mean an SID route (standard instrument departure)?  If so does that mean they will let me know of the departure route, which will then supersede whatever I've filed? 

Yes, this is my mistake - it should be C-WAKE for me in Canada (and everywhere as far as I know)

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1 hour ago, Kevin Reynolds said:

...And by departure procedure, do you mean an SID route (standard instrument departure)?  If so does that mean they will let me know of the departure route, which will then supersede whatever I've filed? 

If I may add? That's a good question and if that is the case, does that mean you must refile and/or change these settings in your flight computer (say G1000)?

Private Pilot, not current. New to VATSIM/ATC SIMs in general. I'm nice, you be nice.

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Okay, if you are going to fly VFR, you will not have a SID/DP assigned, since these are IFR-procedures. Some airports will still have designated arrival and departure routes/corridors for VFR traffic. I could not find anything of this kind for Toronto/CYYZ, but it's always worth checking for such charts.

What you quoted in your first post looks more like a standard IFR clearance in North America. For VFR traffic, ATC will usually take care of how you'll leave the controlled airspace of the departure airport and issue a clearance accordingly, e.g. "departure runway XY, left turn out, direct [location name]/follow [route](e.g. coastline eastbound), maintain xxxx feet, squawk 1234.".

Our local controllers from Canada/Toronto will hopefully add to this and correct my inaccuracies.

 

14 hours ago, Kevin Reynolds said:

it should be C-WAKE for me in Canada (and everywhere as far as I know)

Yes, if you choose to operate your virtual Canadian registered aircraft, you use that callsign/registration. Please also note that when logging on to VATSIM, omit "dashes" in callsigns and registrations (CWAKE vs. C-WAKE). In other words, "CWAKE" it would be for you.

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3 hours ago, Andreas Fuchs said:

Okay, if you are going to fly VFR, you will not have a SID/DP assigned, since these are IFR-procedures. Some airports will still have designated arrival and departure routes/corridors for VFR traffic. I could not find anything of this kind for Toronto/CYYZ, but it's always worth checking for such charts.

What you quoted in your first post looks more like a standard IFR clearance in North America. For VFR traffic, ATC will usually take care of how you'll leave the controlled airspace of the departure airport and issue a clearance accordingly, e.g. "departure runway XY, left turn out, direct [location name]/follow [route](e.g. coastline eastbound), maintain xxxx feet, squawk 1234.".

Our local controllers from Canada/Toronto will hopefully add to this and correct my inaccuracies.

 

Yes, if you choose to operate your virtual Canadian registered aircraft, you use that callsign/registration. Please also note that when logging on to VATSIM, omit "dashes" in callsigns and registrations (CWAKE vs. C-WAKE). In other words, "CWAKE" it would be for you.

Great - thanks for the help!

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On 1/15/2022 at 2:26 AM, Sunil Hans said:

If I may add? That's a good question and if that is the case, does that mean you must refile and/or change these settings in your flight computer (say G1000)?

You do not need to refile - if you're VFR, then the flight plan isn't even binding, you basically do what you want (within the constraints of the law and the airspaces you operate in and all that). If you're IFR, then your flight plan is binding, but ATC clearance trumps flight plans (a.k.a. "fly the clearance, not the plan"), so if you filed the FUBAR1 departure, but ATC clears you for the EXMPL6 departure instead, you fly the EXMPL6, not the FUBAR1, but you do not need to refile, ATC will communicate the change to other controllers as needed.

How you achieve flying the procedure is up to you, but typically, when you're recleared for a different departure, you would change things in the flight computer, especially when you're still on the ground and there's no immediate time pressure.

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Hello awesome community 

I did my first full vatsim flight today from EHAM Amsterdam to EGKK Gatwick.

And it was amazing I wana thank all the ATC on the job.

Was abit nervous and i even had a blackout but atc was helpful and gave me the best and realistic experience so far I know I have to work on my (work flow) and to plan ahead 

Thank you so mutch 

Kind regards 

Coenraad van dee

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