Dan Giordano Posted March 20, 2011 at 05:21 PM Posted March 20, 2011 at 05:21 PM hey guys, over the last couple weeks i have been looking for a new PC, something to run FSX on about medium settings. these are my system specs on my medion PC(older and have done a few upgrades over the years) Intel® Pentium® 4 CPU 2.60ghz 2.75G DDR2 ram nvidia 7600 gs these are my current settings and im not looking to max out settings, i could use those settings but what im really looking for is smooth fps with the cloud coverage set to max density and better looking ground textures. sometimes they get a little blury. these are a couple ive been eying, let me know if you think they are good, remember not looking to max out settings thats why im not going for the 2 or 3 thousand dollar PC. http://www.target.com/iBuyPower-Gaming-Phenom-Processor-Memory/dp/B004MYYZN8/ref=sc_qi_detailbutton http://www.target.com/iBuyPower-Gaming-949TT-Processor-Memory/dp/B004MYR594/ref=sc_qi_detailbutton if you have any other suggestions about a PC within the $500-$800 range that would be much appreciated. thanks, dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Kovacevic 920456 Posted March 20, 2011 at 06:06 PM Posted March 20, 2011 at 06:06 PM You can get an excellent FSX PC for under $1000 if you buy smart and stick to components that are known to work well in FS. A decent Sandy Bridge PC can cost as little as $850 if you resist the temptation to buy into the marketing hype of low latency RAM making a difference, for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wycliffe Barrett Posted March 21, 2011 at 08:59 AM Posted March 21, 2011 at 08:59 AM Dan As has been said if you can't buy a decent PC for a thousand bucks there is something sadly wrong. Why on earth you mentioned 2 to 3 thousand dollars I have no idea. I recently bough an i5 processor on a an asus mobo with 4gig of ddr3 ram and installed that myself using my old twr, pwr and Hard drives and I tell you man at 30 fps I can have everything turned up full with sliders to the right no problem. www.overclockers.co.uk will ship worldwide. Wycliffe Wycliffe Barrett: C3 Controller "if god meant for us to fly, he would have given us tickets" Mel Brooks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Giordano Posted March 21, 2011 at 05:40 PM Author Posted March 21, 2011 at 05:40 PM Dan As has been said if you can't buy a decent PC for a thousand bucks there is something sadly wrong. Why on earth you mentioned 2 to 3 thousand dollars I have no idea. I recently bough an i5 processor on a an asus mobo with 4gig of ddr3 ram and installed that myself using my old twr, pwr and Hard drives and I tell you man at 30 fps I can have everything turned up full with sliders to the right no problem. http://www.overclockers.co.uk will ship worldwide. Wycliffe ok, your running FSX correct? and i was probably looking more towards the amd phenom ii x4, would you recommend i5 still or does that really matter? also i can find a good priced pc but sometimes im not sure about the video card, but if im looking more toward performance i would think the processor and ram are most important? thanks for the response, ill take a look at that website Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Giordano Posted March 22, 2011 at 01:53 AM Author Posted March 22, 2011 at 01:53 AM i think this is the one im looking at the most(http://www.amazon.com/iBuyPower-Gaming-949TT-Processor-Memory/dp/B004MYR594/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1300756634&sr=8-1), the only thing is the video card, is the radeon hd 5570 pretty good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darrol Larrok 1140797 Posted March 22, 2011 at 02:17 AM Posted March 22, 2011 at 02:17 AM I'd recommend the Phenom II processor, but get a Black Edition. They're just as good as Intel, but quite a bit cheaper, and much more overclockable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Kolin Posted March 22, 2011 at 02:29 AM Posted March 22, 2011 at 02:29 AM They're just as good as Intel, but quite a bit cheaper, and much more overclockable. There's a reason the AMDs are so much cheaper: http://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html Count the Intels. Cheers! Luke ... I spawn hundreds of children a day. They are daemons because they are easier to kill. The first four remain stubbornly alive despite my (and their) best efforts. ... Normal in my household makes you a member of a visible minority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Giordano Posted March 22, 2011 at 03:26 AM Author Posted March 22, 2011 at 03:26 AM ok, now what about the radeon hd 5570, is that a good enough card? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Byrne Posted March 22, 2011 at 03:34 PM Posted March 22, 2011 at 03:34 PM There's a reason the AMDs are so much cheaper: http://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html Count the Intels. Yeah, very easy to show intels are better when every chip on that list above the PhII X6 1100T apart from 2 Intel i5s is more expensive. Price for price (except for 2 i5s and even then it's pretty close) the AMD PII X6 1100T compares as good, if not slightly faster. In fact if you scroll down, you will see the benchmark/price index. The AMD X6 1100T and the X6 1075 are the 2nd and 3rd highest scores in that speed range of CPUs. However, when it comes to bang for your buck, the i7, 2600 at 3.4Ghz is benchmarking quite higher than anything else around that price range and considering it's less than $100 more expensive than the X6 1100T, it may be worth the purchase. But that's if you want to spend $300 on your CPU alone. Cheers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Giordano Posted March 22, 2011 at 03:41 PM Author Posted March 22, 2011 at 03:41 PM ok i understand the chips, but if i go with the one that has the i5, will the radeon hd 5570 be a good card or will i have to upgrade? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Byrne Posted March 22, 2011 at 03:56 PM Posted March 22, 2011 at 03:56 PM Have a look at this benchmark list: http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/ I haven't found a HD 5570 on it, but it will give you a good idea of what's hot and not. By the way, do some good research on the latest nVidia GTX cards. If you check out this forum, you will see reports of them acting up under certain circomestances. Cheers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Kovacevic 920456 Posted March 22, 2011 at 07:18 PM Posted March 22, 2011 at 07:18 PM I don't want to get into the debate about which is better (AMD or Intel) but I'll tell you this: I have an i5-2500K, and a GTX460, and I get between 40 and 50FPS landing the FSLabs Concorde (in VC) on Heathrow Xtreme with cloudy weather in 1920x1080 resolution. Here's a resized screenshot: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erhan Atesoglu 1050499 Posted March 23, 2011 at 06:02 AM Posted March 23, 2011 at 06:02 AM The ATi cards that are the x870... 4,5,6 series will do, nothing more nothing less. And 5570 is intended for Laptops not desktop PCs. http://www.pond64.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Giordano Posted March 24, 2011 at 03:45 AM Author Posted March 24, 2011 at 03:45 AM hey guys, i found another one here but im not sure what video card is in it lol, it has 2 listed if you look here, it has the nvidia gt 440 listed - http://www.walmart.com/ip/iBuypower-811121015374/15746835 and if you look here, it has the 430 listed - http://i.walmart.com/i/rb/0081112101537.pdf so which one is it? lol and if its the 440, is the 440 a good card for fsx? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erhan Atesoglu 1050499 Posted March 24, 2011 at 04:19 AM Posted March 24, 2011 at 04:19 AM 440 is better.. but still it's not faster than even an 8800GT which I'm sure you could pick up dirt cheap on kijiji. My advice buy the machine with the best CPU/Price and plan on buying a GPU new or used in order to play FSX. http://www.pond64.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Giordano Posted March 24, 2011 at 04:33 AM Author Posted March 24, 2011 at 04:33 AM yeah, im probaly looking more at the CPU, and then if i need to i can always upgrade the video card. but whatever i get is only gonna be better than what i got right now so it cant make it worse lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darrol Larrok 1140797 Posted March 24, 2011 at 05:33 AM Posted March 24, 2011 at 05:33 AM I I were you, I would avoid buying anything at the extremely high end of the price range, as computer parts tend to involve rather diminishing returns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erhan Atesoglu 1050499 Posted March 24, 2011 at 02:25 PM Posted March 24, 2011 at 02:25 PM Dan: No worries that card will run FSX just fine for now. Those machines are priced pretty well, the only thing you'd be missing out of is overclocking ability. But then again if you aren't building your own machine what are the chances you'll OC it right? http://www.pond64.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Giordano Posted March 26, 2011 at 04:19 AM Author Posted March 26, 2011 at 04:19 AM yeah, biggest thing im looking for is 25-30 fps on these settings for clouds, buildings, autogen, water effects...ect not a big deal for me, cause u can be flying along great with no weather and then hit clouds and your fps take a hit. and according to the cpu benchmark page, intel chips are all ranked higher, what makes them higher than an amd? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wycliffe Barrett Posted March 26, 2011 at 07:16 AM Posted March 26, 2011 at 07:16 AM Fairy dust and magic. Wycliffe Wycliffe Barrett: C3 Controller "if god meant for us to fly, he would have given us tickets" Mel Brooks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erhan Atesoglu 1050499 Posted March 26, 2011 at 07:17 AM Posted March 26, 2011 at 07:17 AM The memory interface is 2x faster on a i7... despite AMDs claim of similar architecture. But they've always had trouble keeping up with intel's numbers. I remember they were trying to convince people that clock speed was arbritrary as well. I wouldn't buy anything from them period. Bottom like 2x faster memory results in a 20-25% improvement in FSX and most other games as well. http://www.pond64.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wycliffe Barrett Posted March 26, 2011 at 10:41 AM Posted March 26, 2011 at 10:41 AM amd's strategy is to sell their chips cheaper, this is a screen shot from this mornings flight on my Intel i5 cpu based ati radeon 5770 gfx card machine. locked at 30fps and this is snowdon on the same machine Uploaded with ImageShack.us Wycliffe Wycliffe Barrett: C3 Controller "if god meant for us to fly, he would have given us tickets" Mel Brooks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erhan Atesoglu 1050499 Posted March 26, 2011 at 01:22 PM Posted March 26, 2011 at 01:22 PM Yup.. if they keep doing what they're doing something is eventually going to have to give at Intel and Nvidia. I'm sure the next round of consoles will be all ATI based, although 2/3 isn't bad for now. http://www.pond64.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Giordano Posted March 28, 2011 at 12:13 AM Author Posted March 28, 2011 at 12:13 AM ok, now if i were to go with a phenom ii x4 over an intel i5 2400 or 2500, would there be much of a performance loss on clouds with an AMD? cause i see youtube videos of guys running high settings on both chips, but i never see any videos of them going through thick clouds. for some reason clouds have always been a big thing with me, im not so much of an autogen or water effects guy, i mostly fly IFR flights with 737's and that type of stuff so that's why clouds are important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darrol Larrok 1140797 Posted March 28, 2011 at 12:22 AM Posted March 28, 2011 at 12:22 AM Nope, go with the AMD, but get a black edition in case you want to overclock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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