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Hi Chris,

 

we would need an update for the airspace of "EDGG_CTR" in Germany. EDGG_CTR combines the sectors of EDGG_E_CTR and EDGG_P_CTR, top-down. At the moment it does not seem to show up at all and I regularly have pilots reporting that they were not aware of EDGG_CTR being active/online.

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Hi Chris,

 

we would need an update for the airspace of "EDGG_CTR" in Germany. EDGG_CTR combines the sectors of EDGG_E_CTR and EDGG_P_CTR, top-down. At the moment it does not seem to show up at all and I regularly have pilots reporting that they were not aware of EDGG_CTR being active/online.

 

This is how it is shown here on my VatSpy (latest updates applied):

 

mw3eyhzb.jpg

 

Can you confirm EDGG is correctly shown?

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Ah, great! Then it is up to those pilots (many!) who have not updated their databases recently, or ever.

 

Is there a way to reach out to them?

 

Short-term solution: post a link to the updated files in the division forums (Germany in your case).

Mid- (to Long)-term solution: ask the developer of VATSpy to prepare an updated version with the new datasets.

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Would like the Norwegian sectors correctly in VATSPY, as some of the possitions are not shown at all such as "ENOR_CTR".

It is also missing alot of the airports we have.

 

We have in vatsim scandinavia both pictures of the new sectors and updated vatspy files (including the airports) so let me know whitch which one you prefeer.

Adrian Bjerke
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Hi Adrian,

 

it would be great if you could send me your VATSpy files (if you need a mail address for this short PM to me).

 

Thanks!

 

Hi, you can download them from this link:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4_E0wKIMcc6SlZwZGVUWm5pQm8/view?usp=sharing

Adrian Bjerke
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Hello Christoph,

 

It would be great if you updated the Australian and New Zealand sectors. I will PM you a link to a dropbox later in the day.

 

Hi Andrew,

 

please do so!

 

Thanks!

 

 

Hi Adrian,

 

files received, thanks!

 

Your update request has been processed. It'll be included in the next dataset update (available on first days of March).

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i don't know if it is a legal update-request.

but EDWW_A and EDWW_B are two parts (west and east) of EDWW.

so the following picture seems to be incorrect:

https://goo.gl/photos/pTR3sXHaoPgo1Cwh9

in vattastic i see EDWW_A (west) online:

https://goo.gl/photos/iexgJSGUGYxeJd768

 

Hi Martin,

 

of course your update request is "legal"!

 

Interesting... for all German FIRs there is only one single (combined) sector defined (for EDGG, EDMM & EDWW).

 

If you could provide coordinates for both single sectors (in this case EDWW_A & EDWW_B) I can implement them, but I would like to know whether sub-sectors for EDMM & EDGG should be implemented, as well (for continuity throughout German airspace ). Maybe you could ask your local ATC coordinator about this?

 

Thanks!

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Hi Christoph,

 

do you know Qutescoop? At the moment it contains the correct display of sectors and subsectors for Germany.

 

To find the data/coordinates, after installing the program and downloading the latest set of data, you'll need to look for the files firlist.dat and firdisplay.dat. They can be found in AppData/Local/Qutescoop/Qutescoop/data.

Both files can be opened with a standard text-editor. First you'll need to locate the "FIR identifier" of the sector, you'll find it in firlist.dat. You'll then be able to fetch the coordinates from firdisplay.dat. E.g. for EDWW_A the identifier is "106", for EDWW_B it is "101".

 

If you don't have time to do this, I can do it for you, just let me know.

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Both files can be opened with a standard text-editor. First you'll need to locate the "FIR identifier" of the sector, you'll find it in firlist.dat. You'll then be able to fetch the coordinates from firdisplay.dat. E.g. for EDWW_A the identifier is "106", for EDWW_B it is "101".

And I [Mod - Happy Thoughts]ume there's a similar setup for EDGG?

Josh Glottmann
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You have to find a way to convert it VatSpy's format, though. No idea if the data will still be helpful for you.

 

Airspace defintions. The last 3 digits, e.g. :101 are the identifiers of the airspace.

EDWW_B:Bremen:DE:52.31:12.50:101

EDWW_E:Bremen:DE:52.5:12.7:101

EDWW_M:Bremen:DE:53.60:12.45:496

EDWW_W:Bremen:DE:53.2:9.2:102

EDWW_N:Bremen:DE:53.6:9.2:103

EDWW_S:Bremen:DE:52.6:8.98:104

EDWW_I:Bremen:DE:53:12.7:105

EDWW_A:Bremen:DE:53.2:8.8:106

EDWW:Bremen:DE:53.0:10.2:812

 

 

EDGG:Langen:DE:49.30:8.5:107

EDGG_N:Langen:DE:51.30:7.4:108

EDGG_H:Langen:DE:51.8:6.9:108

EDGG_P:Langen:DE:51.6:7.8:108

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EDGG_NW:Langen:DE:50.7:6.76:112

EDGG_SE:Langen:DE:49.6:8.9:113

EDUU:Rhein:DE:50.3:9.73:810

 

 

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EDMM_T:Munchen:DE:51.15:11.24:811

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While testing the new sectors I encountered a big problem. It seems VATSpy in its current state doesn't "detect" callsigns like EDMM_N or EDGG_E properly, meaning e. g. that EDMM_N will still be displayed with the shape of EDMM. Obviously we would need "unique" callsigns for them like EDMN (for EDMM_N) or EDGE (for EDGG_E).

 

Unfortunately nothing I can do about at the moment...

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