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Hi all,

I've been simming for about 20 years but have only recently taken the plunge and joined Vatsim. I'm finding it hugely enjoyable but also a tad stressful, because I'm so used to the predictability of offline ATC add-ons that the workload when flying online is taking some getting used to! I've moved over wholesale from P3D to MSFS recently, and consequently from the FSLabs A320 to the A32NX. I've tried to go back but P3D looks and performs so much worse that I just can't enjoy it anymore.

Anyway, I was on a flight the other day from EKCH-EGLL and had filed the LOGAN 1H STAR. Just before my TOD, I began setting up for my expected arrival - 27R with the LAM transition. Unfortunately, the MCDU insisted on sending me from LAM-BIG, and then via a very rough approximation of the 10-2P initial approach from BIG routing. I tried to fix it, failed, and ended up disconnecting from Vatsim and landing without ATC because I just didn't know how to broach this with the controller.

I imagine, with MSFS navdata in the state it's in at the moment, I'll encounter this problem at other airports as well. Is there a way of handling it? Did I give up and quit too soon? Or is this the sort of situation where disconnecting is the only fair way forward?

Cheers,
Filbert

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2 hours ago, Filbert Waghorn said:

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Yep. A bit of a desert in here at the moment. You could try Pilot Talk under Discussion. But I've heard (Bill Casey, Scotland) that trying to use MSFS2020 with "big tin" right now is not a great idea.

Alistair Thomson

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Oh @Bill Casey won't forgive you for saying he's from Scotland....  😂

Us controllers have seen a number of issues with the default MSFS tubeliners.   I had someone make 3 attempts at establishing on the ILS in the 787 the other day and it just wouldn't capture the localiser so he reverted to a visual approach.   The SIDs/STARs in the FMC's are not 100% accurate out of the box either for some reason.   Hopefully NavBlue will get this resolved soon or other companies will come in (such as Navigraph) and provide more accurate data for the FMCs to use.

My advice would be to have a chart open on a second screen/tablet and if a point doesn't exist in your FMC that should according to the chart, look at the headings from the last point that does exist in your FMC and then switch to using manual headings from there.  Once you then reach the missing point, make sure you set the next available point as a direct in your FMC and switch back to managed/LNAV mode to track it inbound.

These aircraft are getting better (and community mods are helping that) but they're no patch on third party aircraft as yet - and the top ones will not hit MSFS for some time until the SDK gets some significant upgrades.

Trevor Hannant

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18 hours ago, Alistair Thomson said:

Yep. A bit of a desert in here at the moment. You could try Pilot Talk under Discussion. But I've heard (Bill Casey, Scotland) that trying to use MSFS2020 with "big tin" right now is not a great idea.

Mr. Casey is probably right. But at the same time, the A320 NEO with the A32NX mod is so close to being really good that I can't help but fly it! 😉 If the navdata is complete, it's perfectly possible to do a full flight in it from cold & dark to shutdown with everything working flawlessly. The 78X & 748 are a different matter though.

22 minutes ago, Trevor Hannant said:

My advice would be to have a chart open on a second screen/tablet and if a point doesn't exist in your FMC that should according to the chart, look at the headings from the last point that does exist in your FMC and then switch to using manual headings from there.  Once you then reach the missing point, make sure you set the next available point as a direct in your FMC and switch back to managed/LNAV mode to track it inbound.

That's good advice and I think that would work with the majority of approaches. The reason I didn't do that on this occasion was that I just thought the S-turns between Lambourne and the ILS would be beyond both the capability of the FMC and my own capability!

Thanks for the replies both of you. I copied this post into General Discussion immediately after posting and have some more feedback in there. Appreciate your time.

Filbert  

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1 hour ago, Trevor Hannant said:

Oh @Bill Casey won't forgive you for saying he's from Scotland....  😂

I may have to adhere to the modern fad of announcing that I am OFFENDED by such a suggestion but I'm not sure what happens when one is offended, I believe it may be nothing at all?

My preference for not using the MSFS big tin on Vatsim is largely because if an aircraft cannot do everything required of (direct to's, holding patterns, latest Navdata etc etc) then I'd prefer not to be an inconvenience and dish out "unables". I much prefer to be capable of doing whatever is asked. Maybe I'm too fussy, dunno. 

Now, about being Scottish......... 😈

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4 hours ago, Bill Casey said:

if an aircraft cannot do everything required of (direct to's, holding patterns, latest Navdata etc etc)

I've done Direct-to and I do have the latest Navigraph AIRAC, I'm using FS2020 Asobo A320 Neo, with or without the A32NX mod.

Hold patterns I should be able to follow manually with littlenavmap and HDG mode, I will try to practice those tomorrow.

 

 

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On 10/16/2020 at 9:48 AM, Bill Casey said:

Now, about being Scottish....

:) Sorry,  Hamish  Bill: I think I saw your comment about big tin in the Scottish forum and I put 2&2 together, resulting in the ENIAC value of 3.999999.

Anyway, lots of folks like the thought of being Scots. When folks here in Canada hear my accent, they nearly always say, "I'm Scottish too!" despite never having been there, simply because their old folks came from there in the fifties. Some of them are actually more Scottish than the Scots, with weekly pipe band marches (no, really).

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On 10/16/2020 at 1:11 PM, Filbert Waghorn said:

That's good advice and I think that would work with the majority of approaches. The reason I didn't do that on this occasion was that I just thought the S-turns between Lambourne and the ILS would be beyond both the capability of the FMC and my own capability!

Fair point however if you watch your speed, even the heaviest of aircraft will manage.   Generally, LHR controllers will give you:

- 220 knots leaving the Holding fix (in this case LAM)
- 180-200 knots for the "base" turn which may be an S bend rather than a straight base leg
- 160 knots until 4DME

If you go with those, particularly dialling the 180 speed in first before making the base turn so that it's slowing just before/as you make the turn, you should be fine.

 

15 hours ago, Alistair Thomson said:

Anyway, lots of folks like the thought of being Scots. When folks here in Canada hear my accent, they nearly always say, "I'm Scottish too!" despite never having been there, simply because their old folks came from there in the fifties. Some of them are actually more Scottish than the Scots, with weekly pipe band marches (no, really).

Completely agree - the number of times I've heard about how sure people are that they've got Scottish blood in them so we must be related....  🙄

Trevor Hannant

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