1341101 Posted July 21, 2021 at 02:20 AM Posted July 21, 2021 at 02:20 AM (edited) Posting this here, as this falls under "definitions". The term "live training resources" appears in points 6.05(j)(ix) and 9.01(e) and I believe that the definition of this term should be expanded in more detail. Whilst I personally understand that in these contexts, the term suggests the use of instructors' time and resources (i.e. mentoring sessions) in order to get a validation, this or a similar way, is how this should be phrased in the policy, as the term "live training resources" can mean many different types of resources and is in my opinion a bit too vague. Edited July 21, 2021 at 02:40 AM by 1341101 1 C1-rated controller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Dowling Posted July 21, 2021 at 01:31 PM Posted July 21, 2021 at 01:31 PM Hey David What other resource would you define as a "Live training resource" other than instructor/mentor? Just curious 🙂 Phil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collin Koldoff Posted July 21, 2021 at 02:31 PM Posted July 21, 2021 at 02:31 PM I know this is just an interpretation of it, but when I first read "Live training resource" I assumed it meant either sweatbox, the live network or both being used to train a student live. The sweatbox and the network can be used as a "Live training resource" by definition of the terms. I do not believe that an instructor/mentor should be labeled as just a resource in this context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Dowling Posted July 21, 2021 at 02:50 PM Posted July 21, 2021 at 02:50 PM Hey Collin. See your point. We'd need to have a think around how to reword that. The intent, I believe, is really directed towards human assets (eg Instructor/mentor time). What if we changed "Live Training Resource" to "Guided Instruction". Would that be clearer? If you have any idea, put them out there 🙂 Phil 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreas Fuchs Posted July 21, 2021 at 04:25 PM Posted July 21, 2021 at 04:25 PM "Individual training by a mentor/coach". Too long? 1 Cheers, Andreas Member of VATSIM GermanyMy real flying on InstagramMy Twitch streams of VATSIM flights and ATC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Dowling Posted July 21, 2021 at 04:40 PM Posted July 21, 2021 at 04:40 PM Hey Andreas! Hope you are well 🙂 No I don't think it is too long. Let's see what @Matthew Bartelsthinks 🙂 Phil 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collin Koldoff Posted July 21, 2021 at 05:05 PM Posted July 21, 2021 at 05:05 PM 2 hours ago, Philip Dowling 813710 said: Hey Collin. See your point. We'd need to have a think around how to reword that. The intent, I believe, is really directed towards human assets (eg Instructor/mentor time). What if we changed "Live Training Resource" to "Guided Instruction". Would that be clearer? If you have any idea, put them out there 🙂 Phil Sorry, I probably should have stated what I think it should say. "Guided Instruction", "Guided Training" or "Live training with training staff" are just a few that I think would better explain than "Live Training Resource" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Shearman Jr Posted July 21, 2021 at 07:47 PM Posted July 21, 2021 at 07:47 PM "Not just a CBT and a multiple-choice quiz" 1 Cheers, -R. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Wurzbach Posted July 22, 2021 at 05:01 AM Posted July 22, 2021 at 05:01 AM (edited) Change "live training resources" to "live training" everywhere and then define live training above it as: "Live training is defined as formal, live instruction from another person acting as a mentor or instructor for any length of time and in any setting. Live training does not include self-paced, computer-based training; written examinations; policy documentation; or other self-guided learning not requiring the live presence of a mentor or instructor." Edited July 22, 2021 at 05:01 AM by Matthew Wurzbach 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Nabieszko Posted July 22, 2021 at 02:03 PM Posted July 22, 2021 at 02:03 PM "Live training" needs to be properly defined because it is used in 7.07b and by context there it means the network but not sweatbox. But sweatboxes still require an instructor to operate, using up the person as a resource. So is sweatbox training "live"? The document needs to define it explicitly and not leave it up to assumptions and abuse. 2 Rob Nabieszko | VATCAN3 Director of Training, VATCAN [email protected] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Bartels Posted July 22, 2021 at 03:04 PM Posted July 22, 2021 at 03:04 PM 10 hours ago, Matthew Wurzbach said: Change "live training resources" to "live training" everywhere and then define live training above it as: "Live training is defined as formal, live instruction from another person acting as a mentor or instructor for any length of time and in any setting. Live training does not include self-paced, computer-based training; written examinations; policy documentation; or other self-guided learning not requiring the live presence of a mentor or instructor." Love it. I've added it verbatim to the definitions section. 2 You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain. Forever and always "Just the events guy" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1341101 Posted July 22, 2021 at 03:10 PM Author Posted July 22, 2021 at 03:10 PM 6 minutes ago, Matthew Bartels said: Love it. I've added it verbatim to the definitions section. Perfect! Thanks a lot! C1-rated controller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Hawke Posted July 23, 2021 at 12:31 AM Posted July 23, 2021 at 12:31 AM As a real world controller, I would hope that we could expand this type of online training to events. There could be a great deal of valuable training during events, or even, create a "Training Event", (staffing permitting) . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Bartels Posted July 23, 2021 at 12:54 AM Posted July 23, 2021 at 12:54 AM That’s wholly possible as written. An event not necessarily need an event endorsement. You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain. Forever and always "Just the events guy" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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