7.06 Training Requirement – Minor Aerodromes / Airspace

[Martijn Rammeloo]

Paragraphs 7.08(b) and 7.07(b) describe the training requirements for both major and restricted aerodromes / airspace. However, paragraph 7.06(b), concerning minor aerodromes / airspace is rather vague. Is sweatbox training allowed? Practical examinations?

Kind regards,

Martijn

[Matthew Bartels]

7.09 really is what deals with this.  You need an ATS rating to control minors. You only get that via your training.

[Martijn Rammeloo]

1 hour ago, Matthew Bartels said:

7.09 really is what deals with this.  You need an ATS rating to control minors. You only get that via your training.

Thanks, but I'm still a bit confused. I understand the training part, but the examination part is unclear to me. A specific example: is a S2 CPT allowed on a minor airfield? 

If yes, then why are practical examinations on restricted airfields not allowed, as per 7.07(b)?

Martijn

[Emma Pollak]

The way I am reading it is that you may not require practical training for a restricted airfield endorsement. You could do practical training on a restricted airfield, as long as it is not for the purpose of obtaining a restricted airfield endorsement.

[Matthew Bartels]

What we’re  trying to get at here is that we don’t want you to keep a controller from controlling by requiring additional training beyond what is really necessary.

If you can certify on a major or restricted without it taking longer than it would on a minor, that would be fine

[Martijn Rammeloo]

7 hours ago, Matthew Bartels said:

What we’re  trying to get at here is that we don’t want you to keep a controller from controlling by requiring additional training beyond what is really necessary.

If you can certify on a major or restricted without it taking longer than it would on a minor, that would be fine

Still confused... 

Perhaps, training on a minor will be shorter than on a major, but it is obvious that 'enough is enough'. Nothing new there.

However, my question is specifically about the examination part: are we allowed to certify a minor aerodrome student with a CPT, for example to obtain an S2 rating? Or is it 'just' training and he/she is good to go?

Martijn
 

[Matthew Bartels]

Award of the rating requires a CPT. So yes, a CPT would be conducted on a minor in such a case.

[Martijn Rammeloo]

6 minutes ago, Matthew Bartels said:

Award of the rating requires a CPT. So yes, a CPT would be conducted on a minor in such a case.

Great, thanks!

[Mateusz Zymla]

52 minutes ago, Matthew Bartels said:

Award of the rating requires a CPT. So yes, a CPT would be conducted on a minor in such a case.

Are all other airports than major/restricted will get minor rating, or is it 4th rank (after major, restricted, and "normal" in that case)? 

 

[Matthew Bartels]

There are three. Anything that is not Major or Restricted is Minor.

[Mateusz Zymla]

5 minutes ago, Matthew Bartels said:

There are three. Anything that is not Major or Restricted is Minor.

That makes sense, but wanted to clarify, thanks. 

[Martijn Rammeloo]

@David Kirchner
(I am moving this to this topic, as it concerns minor airfields only, not restricted airfields/airspace)

In the original topic, you described a training flow on a major airfield. Nothing new there.

However, what about the following flow:

Training up to S2 CPT at minor airport --> practical exam to achieve S2 at minor airport --> Training up to S3 CPT at minor airport --> practical exam to achieve S3 at minor airport. I am calling this a 'minor-career'. 

Looking forward to your response!

Martijn

 

[Greg Barber]

Martijn,

Not sure what your question is, but the flow you describe seems fine.  However can someone please explain what CTP is (I assume it's come weird acronym for "Practical Examination") as this abbreviation is not defined in the policy.

[Lars Bergmann]

5 hours ago, Greg Barber said:

However can someone please explain what CTP is (I assume it's come weird acronym for "Practical Examination") as this abbreviation is not defined in the policy.

CPT = Controller Practical Test, GCAP refers to this as "practical examination".