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Aside from the "legality" of the process (I do agree on the reading of the agreement that its the Division Directors or Board of Governors that need to agree to any change or suspension of the agreement and not the Regional Vice Presidents) it would be interesting to know a bit of the backstory about the "why". Is there an issue that has been occurring that this change hopes to solve?

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Just now, Chris Gardiner said:

The other positions in the agreement are called Brisbane Radio and Auckland Radio. thank you for your service.

Per the agreement, Brisbane and Auckland are not being transferred to ZOA as far as I know. It's just ZAK.

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1 minute ago, Chris Gardiner said:

The other positions in the agreement are called Brisbane Radio and Auckland Radio. thank you for your service.

Sorry, those are irrelevant to the discussion considering Oakland ARTCC wants their Oceanic airspace back. Don't thank me for my service, a date would good tho.

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Nothing is being transfered anywhere.

Under the paciffic Oceanic partnership ZOA, VATPAC and VATNZ have all been responsable for their own oceanic airspace. However all oceanic rated controllers in each division, plus some visitors had un restricted access to control in any of the positions listed.

ZOA have decided, on their own accord, to leave the Partnership, thus ending the partnership.

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1 minute ago, Dylan Lundberg said:

Sorry, those are irrelevant to the discussion considering Oakland ARTCC wants their Oceanic airspace back. Don't thank me for my service, a date would good tho.

I fail to see what your original comment had to do with the discussion…

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1 minute ago, Kirk Christie said:

ZOA have decided, on their own accord, to leave the Partnership, thus ending the partnership.

This is not quite correct, Kirk - ZOA lack the ability to dissolve the partnership, per the Pacific Oceanic Agreement. Two cases exist which end the partnership, and neither of them have been satisfied.

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1 hour ago, Ryan Parry said:

This is post is not inaccurate. 

By the way thanks for reinforcing my point.  So what you are saying is, my post stating that your post is inaccurate is accurate?  😄

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5 minutes ago, Sean Harrison said:

What Agreement? What agreement are you now referring too?  Or is it more assumption?

To quote the OP:

"Oakland Oceanic will be leaving the current Pacific Oceanic Partnership and will be under the sole control of the Oakland ARTCC."

It specifies "Oakland Oceanic."

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2 minutes ago, Dylan Lundberg said:

Ok fine - But is ZOA out of bounds here for saying they want to manage their own airspace? 2006 was 15 years ago. Time for a change!

and 2005 was 16 years ago, but that has nothing to do with the discussion.

If you mean to imply that the partnership has not been reviewed in 15 years, you are sadly mistaken - the current version of the agreement is from 2009, and it has been reviewed a number of times since then.

Bobby - in short the concern is that Oakland wants to bar people from controlling after agreeing that those people could control. You are mistaken about it being a simple process, Ive applied for visiting controller status across the US and in over 12 months havent gotten a single confirmation email yet...

In any event, if that is the desire for Oakland, its not a complex process for them to go about changing things. They can do so within the bounds of the existing agreement which has been considered acceptable for the last 15 years...

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14 minutes ago, Dylan Lundberg said:

Sorry, those are irrelevant to the discussion

Iornic statement, coming from one of two people who are semingly vocal in this discussion, that do not show up as controllers for the affected area.

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1 minute ago, Alexandra Robison said:

To quote the OP:

"Oakland Oceanic will be leaving the current Pacific Oceanic Partnership and will be under the sole control of the Oakland ARTCC."

It specifies "Oakland Oceanic."

So now you do know there is an agreement between the two RVPs?  I wish you would make up your mind. 🤦‍♀️

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2 minutes ago, Dylan Lundberg said:

Ok fine - But is ZOA out of bounds here for saying they want to manage their own airspace? 2006 was 15 years ago. Time for a change!

Nobody is saying ZOA can't administer their airspace (in much the same way VATPAC and VATNZ administer theirs.  But to say, we are leaving the partnership for no good reason and unless you let us know within 2 months, you can't control here anymore is a bit rich and disrespectful to the other parties of the agreement.  Especially when it gets announced publicly before the parties to the agreement are advised.

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2 minutes ago, Bobby Melton said:

I'm not sure what is going on with everyone being upset that Oakland wants control over their airspace

Because due process was not followed. They never lost control over their airspace.

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2 minutes ago, Kirk Christie said:

Iornic statement, comming from one of two people who are semingly vocal in this discussion, that do not show up as controllers for the affected area.

Ironic*, Coming*, seemingly*

Move the thread somewhere private then, but since its in a public VATSIM forum, I can be here all I want.

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