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A small confusion on my part as a controller...

 

If I'm logged on as a CTR controller, and a heavy jet comes into my area, I don't need to use the Heavy term, I know that. But what happens when that aircraft enters an approach space in my area, and there is no one online below me, and I have to take this aircraft all the way to the gate. Do I begin calling it heavy when it enters the approach space?

 

The same question works backwards if a heavy calls for clearance - should I call it heavy as a CTR controller "acting as" clearance deliver, then ground, twr, and up? This is obviously a sim-ism, but just a little confusing. Anyone know what the VATSIM rules are on that? I appreciate your input!

David Jedrejcic

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I had a chance to meet an ATA dispatcher last Friday in Indianapolis and asked him about ATA's "heavy" 757-200s. I've seen sometimes on FlightAware they use the H/ and other times the 757-200 doesn't use it, and I asked him why that was. He explained that for domestic flights it uses the H/ always, because the FAA lowered the cap to 255,000lbs, and that fits ATA's 757-200s. But he said when going internationally, the ICAO standards screw it all up and it's based instead on what the ACTUAL aircraft weight is on takeoff, not what the MTOW is, so it varies.

 

This doesn't really have to do with anything someone brought up in this post, but I thought it might be some interesting info on the topic of heavies.

Nick Bartolotta - ZSE Instructor, pilot at large

 

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Not to sound too harsh, but from what I've seen lately many of the pilots on VATSIM need to focus on learning how to fly their airplanes as opposed to worrying about whether or not to call themselves a heavy.

 

lol... absolutely agreed.

 

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Not to sound too harsh, but from what I've seen lately many of the pilots on VATSIM need to focus on learning how to fly their airplanes as opposed to worrying about whether or not to call themselves a heavy.

 

AMEN!!!

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A small confusion on my part as a controller...

 

If I'm logged on as a CTR controller, and a heavy jet comes into my area, I don't need to use the Heavy term, I know that. But what happens when that aircraft enters an approach space in my area, and there is no one online below me, and I have to take this aircraft all the way to the gate. Do I begin calling it heavy when it enters the approach space?

 

The same question works backwards if a heavy calls for clearance - should I call it heavy as a CTR controller "acting as" clearance deliver, then ground, twr, and up? This is obviously a sim-ism, but just a little confusing. Anyone know what the VATSIM rules are on that? I appreciate your input!

 

 

Where the aircraft has entered the airspace normally controlled by a terminal-type controller (TRACON/ATCT/etc.), start using "Heavy." This is, of course, something I keep forgetting to do :/ , but it seems to make the most sense. (Didn't see anyone specifically answer your question so I thought I'd pop in.)

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