Maksim Nemkov 907595 Posted October 12, 2008 at 10:37 AM Posted October 12, 2008 at 10:37 AM (edited) Piper Memorial Flying Club http://www.piperclub.net For all those VFR enthusiasts out there, we have group VFR flights every Saturday, starting from October 25th! The main purpose of the Club is to unite the people that enjoy flying VFR and populating VFR flight among the VATSIM network. You won't be alone among all those big birds above you anymore! All necessary information is provided for each event. We will have voice chat running over TeamSpeak, and IRC chat is available at any time. We are not a Virtual Airline, and everybody is welcome to join any of our events! You just need to have the understanding of the VFR flight in the United States airspace. So, the first event is planned for Saturday, October 25th, departure time is 3:00pm EST. Its a short 30-40 minutes flight from Lock Haven, PA (LHV) to Harrisburg, PA (MDT). Edited October 21, 2008 at 10:39 PM by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maksim Nemkov 907595 Posted October 12, 2008 at 04:35 PM Author Posted October 12, 2008 at 04:35 PM Any comments here? That's what we desperately need at this moment. That's 40 views of the topic already and no replies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maksim Nemkov 907595 Posted October 14, 2008 at 08:15 AM Author Posted October 14, 2008 at 08:15 AM It blows? No seriously, guys, say something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Weber Posted October 14, 2008 at 12:36 PM Posted October 14, 2008 at 12:36 PM I just seen this post and I think its a great idea. I work every other Saturday so I cant make your next flight but I look forward to the next one after that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ingo Harders Posted October 14, 2008 at 02:40 PM Posted October 14, 2008 at 02:40 PM Mike, Patience...good things take time. The idea is good but I would improve on some things. (that's just my opinion you understand). 1. Title: when I read that, my first thought was that this is only for Piper pilots and I was just about to move on... 2. Timing. I live on the left coast. So, Saturday mornings at 10:00 am I am out grocery shopping. You may want to tweak that 3. Be happy if you find 2 or three other flyers at first. That way the whole thing is more manageable and you can learn from the experience. 4. Marketing. Make sure you take pictures during the flight and post them in the "General Screenshot" forum, alluding to the recurring VFR event. Over time I can see this turning into a success story. Patience and keep at it. Your idea is a good one. Regards N405HT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maksim Nemkov 907595 Posted October 14, 2008 at 03:13 PM Author Posted October 14, 2008 at 03:13 PM 1. Title: when I read that, my first thought was that this is only for Piper pilots and I was just about to move on... The title comes from the name of the airport, and i hardly think we're gonna change it . 2. Timing. I live on the left coast. So, Saturday mornings at 10:00 am I am out grocery shopping. You may want to tweak that Yep, i guess we'll change the time of the very first flight and all the next flights too. 3. Be happy if you find 2 or three other flyers at first. That way the whole thing is more manageable and you can learn from the experience. Sure, we're not expecting much from the very beginning. 4. Marketing. Make sure you take pictures during the flight and post them in the "General Screenshot" forum, alluding to the recurring VFR event. We're definitely gonna do that! Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maksim Nemkov 907595 Posted October 14, 2008 at 03:17 PM Author Posted October 14, 2008 at 03:17 PM I shifted the departure time for 2 hours, now its 3pm EST, how about that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Elchitz 810151 Posted October 14, 2008 at 11:13 PM Posted October 14, 2008 at 11:13 PM Sounds like lots of fun Mike. In my experience it only takes a handful of people flying GA aircraft together to have a great time! Ian Elchitz Just a guy without any fancy titles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poplin Matthew 1078837 Posted October 15, 2008 at 12:08 AM Posted October 15, 2008 at 12:08 AM i will like to join along. what aircrafts is everyone flying? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maksim Nemkov 907595 Posted October 15, 2008 at 12:29 AM Author Posted October 15, 2008 at 12:29 AM Sounds like lots of fun Mike. In my experience it only takes a handful of people flying GA aircraft together to have a great time! Great! Hope to see you on one of our events! i will like to join along. what aircrafts is everyone flying? Any small prop. C150\172\182, Piper Cub, Piper Cherokee, the Beaver, anything you like, really! We don't need all the aircrafts to stick together like a formation, and it will look cool anyway, a bunch of people flying VFR from A to B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llennel evangelista 100068 Posted October 15, 2008 at 02:49 PM Posted October 15, 2008 at 02:49 PM sounds cool! i'll put that on my calendar. you guys got any site? tnx! llennel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maksim Nemkov 907595 Posted October 15, 2008 at 03:58 PM Author Posted October 15, 2008 at 03:58 PM (edited) Oh man, you folks haven't seen the website? The link is in the very first post on the title. I'll make it more visible there http://www.piperclub.net/ Edited October 15, 2008 at 03:58 PM by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garry Morris 920567 Posted October 15, 2008 at 03:58 PM Posted October 15, 2008 at 03:58 PM The link is the first bit of content on this thread Llennel. http://www.execjetva.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Smith Posted October 15, 2008 at 04:08 PM Posted October 15, 2008 at 04:08 PM Hi Mike, Good luck with the VFR flight club, it's a wonderful thing! One suggestion, if I may...your event page states a recommended altitude of 5000' MSL for this upcoming trip. A legal VFR cruising altitude would be 5500ft. 4k, 5k, 6k, etc are all IFR cruising altitudes. Los Angeles ARTCC held some fun VFR flights, traveling from coast to coast. There were anywhere from 3-10 pilots attending them each week. I agree with Ian's comment that it's actually a lot of fun in small groups, too. Lastly, for what it's worth, if you have more than 4 ppl on the flight, then unless _everyone_ is already _very_ familiar with standard pattern arrivals and spacing, you may consider only having 3-4 ppl in the pattern at any given time and have the remainder circle until everyone is down, then have the next 'group' enter the pattern. I only suggest that because if you do have a great turnout, I promise you it will become a source of frustration when you're trying to land as a large group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maksim Nemkov 907595 Posted October 15, 2008 at 04:30 PM Author Posted October 15, 2008 at 04:30 PM Hi Mike, Good luck with the VFR flight club, it's a wonderful thing! One suggestion, if I may...your event page states a recommended altitude of 5000' MSL for this upcoming trip. A legal VFR cruising altitude would be 5500ft. 4k, 5k, 6k, etc are all IFR cruising altitudes. Los Angeles ARTCC held some fun VFR flights, traveling from coast to coast. There were anywhere from 3-10 pilots attending them each week. I agree with Ian's comment that it's actually a lot of fun in small groups, too. Lastly, for what it's worth, if you have more than 4 ppl on the flight, then unless _everyone_ is already _very_ familiar with standard pattern arrivals and spacing, you may consider only having 3-4 ppl in the pattern at any given time and have the remainder circle until everyone is down, then have the next 'group' enter the pattern. I only suggest that because if you do have a great turnout, I promise you it will become a source of frustration when you're trying to land as a large group. Thanks for your suggestions Keith! About the altitude - yeah, my fault, I fixed that to 5500ft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maksim Nemkov 907595 Posted October 15, 2008 at 04:41 PM Author Posted October 15, 2008 at 04:41 PM Also, what would be the right thing to do when departing from a G cl[Mod - Happy Thoughts] airspace airport when there's a Center position above? To depart ourselves and report the position and intentions to the controller after the departure? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garry Morris 920567 Posted October 15, 2008 at 05:11 PM Posted October 15, 2008 at 05:11 PM I believe if you're referencing an airport that is untowered in real life, you'd announce your attentions on UNICOM and depart at your own discretion. Call Center for flight following after takeoff if you like. http://www.execjetva.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maksim Nemkov 907595 Posted October 15, 2008 at 05:17 PM Author Posted October 15, 2008 at 05:17 PM I believe if you're referencing an airport that is untowered in real life, you'd announce your attentions on UNICOM and depart at your own discretion. Call Center for flight following after takeoff if you like. Yes, on the first event we're departing from the untowered G cl[Mod - Happy Thoughts] airport. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Smith Posted October 15, 2008 at 06:16 PM Posted October 15, 2008 at 06:16 PM Mike, Unless you're going to enter Cl[Mod - Happy Thoughts] B, C or D airspace, I would suggest not talking to ATC at all. Flight following is not going to be of value to a series of formation flights. It will actually be a pain if you're trying to coordinate your flight with one another through an out-of-band voice channel, such as TeamSpeak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maksim Nemkov 907595 Posted October 15, 2008 at 06:44 PM Author Posted October 15, 2008 at 06:44 PM Mike, Unless you're going to enter Cl[Mod - Happy Thoughts] B, C or D airspace, I would suggest not talking to ATC at all. Flight following is not going to be of value to a series of formation flights. It will actually be a pain if you're trying to coordinate your flight with one another through an out-of-band voice channel, such as TeamSpeak. Ok thanks! We'll have a RogerWilco channel running. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Conrad 989233 Posted October 15, 2008 at 06:55 PM Posted October 15, 2008 at 06:55 PM Mike, Has there been any consideration for using Teamspeak as your communication medium? ZLA Pilot Certs make your eyes bright, your teeth white, and childbirth a pleasure. Get yours today! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maksim Nemkov 907595 Posted October 15, 2008 at 06:59 PM Author Posted October 15, 2008 at 06:59 PM Mike, Has there been any consideration for using Teamspeak as your communication medium? We can use TeamSpeak, no problem with that . That's why we decided to make the first event 2 weeks from the opening, so there will be time to read all your suggestions. We'll use TeamSpeak if everybody's ok with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romano Lara Posted October 17, 2008 at 12:58 PM Posted October 17, 2008 at 12:58 PM What's the time frame? Romano LaravACC Philippines, Manager - Training & Standards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maksim Nemkov 907595 Posted October 17, 2008 at 01:20 PM Author Posted October 17, 2008 at 01:20 PM What's the time frame? Our first flight next saturday starts at 3pm Eastern Standart Time. Flight length is within 1 hour, depends on the speed of your plane. Check our website for all the informaton: http://www.piperclub.net/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maksim Nemkov 907595 Posted October 18, 2008 at 06:57 PM Author Posted October 18, 2008 at 06:57 PM We really hope for some ATC in KMDT next saturday at around 3:30pm EST. Today there was Eric Faber online on TWR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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