Dhruv Kalra Posted March 22, 2010 at 04:48 AM Posted March 22, 2010 at 04:48 AM Navigraph may construe the use of their data in your program as the data being distributed to multiple users without appropriate license, and thus deny you its use. Dhruv Kalra VATUSA ZMP ATM | Instructor | VATSIM Network Supervisor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Miller 873677 Posted March 22, 2010 at 04:54 AM Author Posted March 22, 2010 at 04:54 AM Navigraph may construe the use of their data in your program as the data being distributed to multiple users without appropriate license, and thus deny you its use. I see that. I'm not sure what the best option is. How are people creating sector files now? Andrew Miller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dhruv Kalra Posted March 22, 2010 at 05:16 AM Posted March 22, 2010 at 05:16 AM I see that. I'm not sure what the best option is. How are people creating sector files now? Unfortunately, the "hard" way - looking at instrument approach procedures, SIDs, STARs, etc. as that information is disseminated by the FAA/governing authorities and making changes by hand - at least in my facility! Anyone with a p[Mod - Happy Thoughts]ing knowledge of perl or even basic search pattern scripting could easily convert Navigraph's data; most of the data files are unencrypted plain text. That, unfortunately, is not the hurdle! Dhruv Kalra VATUSA ZMP ATM | Instructor | VATSIM Network Supervisor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Miller 873677 Posted March 22, 2010 at 05:41 AM Author Posted March 22, 2010 at 05:41 AM I see that. I'm not sure what the best option is. How are people creating sector files now? Unfortunately, the "hard" way - looking at instrument approach procedures, SIDs, STARs, etc. as that information is disseminated by the FAA/governing authorities and making changes by hand - at least in my facility! Anyone with a p[Mod - Happy Thoughts]ing knowledge of perl or even basic search pattern scripting could easily convert Navigraph's data; most of the data files are unencrypted plain text. That, unfortunately, is not the hurdle! Very true. I of course could not package something like that with my program. In any case, I think having a GUI to edit some elements will be beneficial. Andrew Miller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonas Eberle Posted March 22, 2010 at 08:51 AM Posted March 22, 2010 at 08:51 AM I would directly ask Navigraph what they would suggest. At least to inform them that you are to use the FSNavigator or whatsoever format of their updates. I am sure an AIRAC-import function is great deal to the sector file creators. Although not in charge with sector file creating, I highly appreciate your work! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karl Kornel 964857 Posted March 24, 2010 at 06:51 AM Posted March 24, 2010 at 06:51 AM I'm thinking the best way to have the most recent data is to do an AIRAC import, but I'm not sure of the best way to go about this. Should I contact Navigraph to determine if they want to add another format for my application, or should I go off of one that already exists? The same source I referred you to for airport layouts also includes a regularly-updated set of navaids and waypoints, so that would essentially be the AIRAC you're looking for. There's one file for fixes (RNAV and non-RNAV) and one file for everything else. Data Download - File format description A. Karl Kornel - vZID C1, FE, and Mentor Smoke Bomb! POOF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dhruv Kalra Posted March 24, 2010 at 10:31 AM Posted March 24, 2010 at 10:31 AM X-Plane's airport and navdata, unfortunately, rely on user submitted updates and the navigational data is often incomplete. Thus I would caution against relying on it to be accurate enough for ATC use. Dhruv Kalra VATUSA ZMP ATM | Instructor | VATSIM Network Supervisor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hans Utne 813128 Posted March 24, 2010 at 12:54 PM Posted March 24, 2010 at 12:54 PM Andrew, Kyprianos mentioned GroundMaker (by Corey Wirun) earlier in this thread, which used to work fine with FS9 and WinXP. If anyone knows of an updated version, this could at least be a stepping stone for many of us who have "upgraded" to Win7 or Vista, using FSX. I have been trying lately to create sector ground-layouts with the old v1.1 and my present OS and MSFS, but with no luck The rationale for trying this with FSX is merely the fact that the default sceneries are more accurate in FSX than in FS9 (at least as far as I can tell). So, if you manage to fill the gap, I am sure you will have a very happy flightsim community to applaude you Hans Utne VATSIM Pilot & SC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Baker 1080999 Posted May 18, 2010 at 05:22 PM Posted May 18, 2010 at 05:22 PM bump Hows it going? There's another graphic sector file editor program out there but the guy stopped development of it and ground maker doesn't work too well on vista/FSX ZAU S-2, Major Certified ZAU S-1 Mentor (Disclaimer: the post above does not necessarily express the opinion or stance of ZAU or ZAUs training program, this view is made by me and me alone) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Miller 873677 Posted May 19, 2010 at 09:39 PM Author Posted May 19, 2010 at 09:39 PM bump Hows it going? There's another graphic sector file editor program out there but the guy stopped development of it and ground maker doesn't work too well on vista/FSX I have a start that displays some sector data in C++ and the Qt framework for cross platform, but I think I'm going to switch back to VB. Raffael Walther recently released his sector file editor tool under the GPL license so this allows me to expand his work. Andrew Miller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Baker 1080999 Posted August 22, 2010 at 09:56 PM Posted August 22, 2010 at 09:56 PM Any updates I'm looking foRward to it ZAU S-2, Major Certified ZAU S-1 Mentor (Disclaimer: the post above does not necessarily express the opinion or stance of ZAU or ZAUs training program, this view is made by me and me alone) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Frias Posted August 22, 2010 at 11:14 PM Posted August 22, 2010 at 11:14 PM Our sectors files were redrawn by me using Google Earth. The KML produced by it is then post-processed by a small program to convert it into .SCT format Miguel Miguel Frias Senior Instructor (I3) & Certified Pilot (P4), ZLA I-11 graduate Portugal vACC Training Director (ACCPT2), VATEUD Operations Director (VATEUD8) Portugal vACC, VATEUD, VATSIM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Board of Governors Nicholas Cavacini Posted August 23, 2010 at 01:41 AM Board of Governors Posted August 23, 2010 at 01:41 AM Our sectors files were redrawn by me using Google Earth. The KML produced by it is then post-processed by a small program to convert it into .SCT format Miguel What is this post program? I have been looking to use GE. NickVice President - SupervisorsVATSIM Board of Governors Contact the Supervisor Team | Could you be a Supervisor? Unless otherwise stated, opinions are my own and not representative of the official opinion of the VATSIM Board of Governors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Frias Posted August 24, 2010 at 11:12 AM Posted August 24, 2010 at 11:12 AM It was developed by me using a language that many freak out with: Tcl Miguel Frias Senior Instructor (I3) & Certified Pilot (P4), ZLA I-11 graduate Portugal vACC Training Director (ACCPT2), VATEUD Operations Director (VATEUD8) Portugal vACC, VATEUD, VATSIM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Wolcott 814793 Posted August 26, 2010 at 06:11 PM Posted August 26, 2010 at 06:11 PM http://kzny.ivaousa.org/kml2sct.rar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Hawton Posted August 26, 2010 at 07:41 PM Posted August 26, 2010 at 07:41 PM I prefer notepad myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Miller 873677 Posted September 23, 2010 at 01:43 AM Author Posted September 23, 2010 at 01:43 AM Well, I'm still looking for any ideas out there. Where do most people get their information from to create a sector file? If you were to just draw everything from hand, that would be too much work. Andrew Miller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cameron Negrete Posted September 23, 2010 at 01:52 AM Posted September 23, 2010 at 01:52 AM Well, I'm still looking for any ideas out there. Where do most people get their information from to create a sector file? If you were to just draw everything from hand, that would be too much work. once you get efficient at drawing stuff google earth, it really takes no time at all. I knocked out KFFZ, which has tons of buildings any taxiways out in a little under 4 hours on google earth. If you would like send me a pm and ill send you the kml file and how i organized it. Cameron ZMP_FE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Miller 873677 Posted September 23, 2010 at 01:56 AM Author Posted September 23, 2010 at 01:56 AM How did you convert the KML to .sct2? I'm looking to develop an application that makes it a little easier to develop sector files. Andrew Miller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Baker 1080999 Posted September 23, 2010 at 02:08 AM Posted September 23, 2010 at 02:08 AM Bgl to sct2 for airport diagrams And IDK for sids/stars ZAU S-2, Major Certified ZAU S-1 Mentor (Disclaimer: the post above does not necessarily express the opinion or stance of ZAU or ZAUs training program, this view is made by me and me alone) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cameron Negrete Posted September 23, 2010 at 02:16 AM Posted September 23, 2010 at 02:16 AM use the above program Andrew Wolcott posted, and notepad++. Organize the path's and taxiways in google earth by using something like [1] for the names and use notepad++ replace fuction and replace [1] with the color. that conversion tool spits out the path name in the color field, so if you use the replace and do something that makes it different from the coordinates format, it should take all of 2 mins to spit out a groundmap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Miller 873677 Posted September 23, 2010 at 02:22 AM Author Posted September 23, 2010 at 02:22 AM I don't think .blg's would be what people want, since it is several years old (as old as the flight sim). Andrew Miller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Baker 1080999 Posted September 23, 2010 at 02:48 AM Posted September 23, 2010 at 02:48 AM Unless they are new and updated bgls ZAU S-2, Major Certified ZAU S-1 Mentor (Disclaimer: the post above does not necessarily express the opinion or stance of ZAU or ZAUs training program, this view is made by me and me alone) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Frias Posted September 23, 2010 at 11:29 AM Posted September 23, 2010 at 11:29 AM Ok... I have finally converted my tool to web format to enable people to upload the sector file and have it converted online. Here is the link for the tool: http://fs.mine.nu/euroscope/design/ There is a small tutorial which explains the requirements so that things get displayed properly. If you have any doubts let me know. Please note this is very "beta", since I have tested it quickly with a few KMZ files. Miguel Miguel Frias Senior Instructor (I3) & Certified Pilot (P4), ZLA I-11 graduate Portugal vACC Training Director (ACCPT2), VATEUD Operations Director (VATEUD8) Portugal vACC, VATEUD, VATSIM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arjun Murthy 1051343 Posted October 17, 2010 at 12:57 AM Posted October 17, 2010 at 12:57 AM There are two programs in here (http://www.avsimrus.com/f/for-flight-controllers-20/) called af2sct and sctdraw that looks interesting. I haven't tested them yet but it certainly seems like it does what is asked. I also use the Google KML with that file (KZNY one) mentioned a few posts ago to turn it into .sct format Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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