Ross Carlson Posted April 19, 2015 at 10:18 PM Posted April 19, 2015 at 10:18 PM Given the recent minor surge in interest in adding an observer mode to vPilot to support shared cockpit operations, I decided to implement this feature and provide it for download for any users that are willing to try it out. Note that I have not tested this version beyond just making sure it connects as an observer and properly ignores the other aircraft so that you don't get a ghost aircraft at your location. If anyone would like to try it out with another pilot in an actual shared cockpit flight, please download and install from this URL: http://vpilot.metacraft.com/[Mod - Happy Thoughts]ets/Files/Installers/vPilot-Setup-1.1.5587.30908.exe Similar to FSInn's shared cockpit feature, the co-pilot will need to connect in observer mode using a callsign that is identical to the pilot's callsign, with a single letter appended. For example: Pilot: Connect as JBU123 in normal mode. Co-pilot: Connect as JBU123A in observer mode. (Any letter will work, doesn't have to be A.) Please report back here and let me know how it goes. Developer: vPilot, VRC, vSTARS, vERAM, VAT-Spy Senior Controller, Boston Virtual ARTCC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Gorman 1247198 Posted April 19, 2015 at 10:46 PM Posted April 19, 2015 at 10:46 PM Just did a quick test: I logged in as BAW25, co-pilot logged in as BAW25A as an observer and we didn't see each other. So far it looks like it's working, good job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1179447 Posted April 19, 2015 at 10:55 PM Posted April 19, 2015 at 10:55 PM Oh, excellent ! Thank you so much, no need to use FSINN again Is working OK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodney Aylmore 944715 Posted April 20, 2015 at 01:43 AM Posted April 20, 2015 at 01:43 AM Hi Ross, Thanks for your prompt work on this. I will try it thoroughly over the next few nights. Rodney. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakob Lindved Marker Posted April 20, 2015 at 05:03 AM Posted April 20, 2015 at 05:03 AM Thank you very much Ross, I have not tested this yet, but will do as soon as I am able. You work quick, thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panagiotis Konstantinidis Posted April 20, 2015 at 08:07 AM Posted April 20, 2015 at 08:07 AM Excellent news Ross, thank you very much. Recently this is a much anticipated feature and FSInn is a no-no, since the release of your fantastic vPilot Panagiotis Konstantinidis ACCGR11, HvACC Deputy Director Airport Briefing | Air Traffic Overview | Euroscope Guide | Euroscope Sector Files Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Reynolds Posted April 20, 2015 at 11:40 AM Posted April 20, 2015 at 11:40 AM Ross, great add on, I just tested it tonight. Connection is seamless. I was flying as observer and nobody could see me and I could see the same traffic as the person I was sharing the flight with. Only issue was that I could also see my aircraft as well as the person I was sharing the cockpit with. On the ground they were mostly together but in the air they flew in trail. If there was a way to remove my visibility of my own aircraft would be great. Thanks for implementing this by the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bradley Grafelman Posted April 20, 2015 at 12:06 PM Posted April 20, 2015 at 12:06 PM If there was a way to remove my visibility of my own aircraft would be great. According to the post above, it already "properly ignores the other aircraft so that you don't get a ghost aircraft at your location." What callsign did you use when connecting? What callsign was your pilot/copilot using? (Subsequently, how did you ensure the adage "Trust, but verify" was adhered to, e.g. verifying what callsign your pilot/copilot was actually using, not what (s)he said. ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodney Aylmore 944715 Posted April 20, 2015 at 02:49 PM Posted April 20, 2015 at 02:49 PM Works as advertised - thanks Ross. Really appreciate the efforts to get this feature implemented so quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florian Rimoli Posted April 20, 2015 at 05:48 PM Posted April 20, 2015 at 05:48 PM Ross, you deserve a good beer ! Many thanks Florian Rimoli French vACC vatsim.fr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Reynolds Posted April 20, 2015 at 10:57 PM Posted April 20, 2015 at 10:57 PM Ross, just a follow up to my post. The ghost aircraft appeared when the observer logged with a number as follow on to the call sign but works perfectly if adding an "A" to the calling instead. Either way, extremely happy and impressed, many thanks Will Reynolds Emirates VACC Director Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Foister Posted April 22, 2015 at 04:03 PM Posted April 22, 2015 at 04:03 PM Hi there, My Vpilot is totally fine, But when me and friend try to connectto VATSIM , I use FSX and he uses P3D and his sim crashes but mine stays fine. He will literally connect and then after 4 seconds his P3D will crash but mine don't. Maybe it's just a bug ? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Carlson Posted April 22, 2015 at 04:11 PM Author Posted April 22, 2015 at 04:11 PM I would imagine that's a problem with the shared cockpit feature of the aircraft you're using, not vPilot. I'd ask in the relevant aircraft developer's forum. Developer: vPilot, VRC, vSTARS, vERAM, VAT-Spy Senior Controller, Boston Virtual ARTCC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Foister Posted April 22, 2015 at 04:38 PM Posted April 22, 2015 at 04:38 PM I would imagine that's a problem with the shared cockpit feature of the aircraft you're using, not vPilot. I'd ask in the relevant aircraft developer's forum. We are using the SP3 Airbus, So i don't see a problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Carlson Posted April 22, 2015 at 04:57 PM Author Posted April 22, 2015 at 04:57 PM I would imagine that's a problem with the shared cockpit feature of the aircraft you're using, not vPilot. I'd ask in the relevant aircraft developer's forum. We are using the SP3 Airbus, So i don't see a problem I'm not sure what you mean by that statement ... can you elaborate? Developer: vPilot, VRC, vSTARS, vERAM, VAT-Spy Senior Controller, Boston Virtual ARTCC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Foister Posted April 22, 2015 at 06:00 PM Posted April 22, 2015 at 06:00 PM I would imagine that's a problem with the shared cockpit feature of the aircraft you're using, not vPilot. I'd ask in the relevant aircraft developer's forum. We are using the SP3 Airbus, So i don't see a problem I'm not sure what you mean by that statement ... can you elaborate? We are using the new service pack by aerosoft for the a318 - a321 connected flight deck, Everyone is using it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bradley Grafelman Posted April 22, 2015 at 06:30 PM Posted April 22, 2015 at 06:30 PM Everyone is using it Is 'everyone' successfully using it in a mixed-simulator environment for cockpit sharing? If yes, then the problem is likely isolated with your friend's setup. If no, then that's not really a valid data point (read: likely overstated generalization). It's possible that the crash report might even further identify where the error is (or is not). Can you post the crash report generated by Windows? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Carlson Posted April 22, 2015 at 06:34 PM Author Posted April 22, 2015 at 06:34 PM We are using the new service pack by aerosoft for the a318 - a321 connected flight deck, Everyone is using it Okay ... I still don't see what that has to do with my suggestion to contact the developers. To reiterate, I don't see that this would be a vPilot problem, at least not with the observer mode change. The changes I made to vPilot to enable observer mode could not possibly cause the simulator to crash. When you say his sim crashes a few seconds after he connects, are you talking about when he connects to VATSIM, or when he connects to you to share the cockpit? Developer: vPilot, VRC, vSTARS, vERAM, VAT-Spy Senior Controller, Boston Virtual ARTCC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Foister Posted April 22, 2015 at 06:43 PM Posted April 22, 2015 at 06:43 PM Everyone is using it Is 'everyone' successfully using it in a mixed-simulator environment for cockpit sharing? If yes, then the problem is likely isolated with your friend's setup. If no, then that's not really a valid data point (read: likely overstated generalization). It's possible that the crash report might even further identify where the error is (or is not). Can you post the crash report generated by Windows? It does not crash my end, My FSX stays ok, so i know it's not me, I mean like i said, I use FSX and he uses P3D, so i am wondering if it is something to do with using different simulators maybe ? His P3D crashes and my FSX stays ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Carlson Posted April 22, 2015 at 06:47 PM Author Posted April 22, 2015 at 06:47 PM When you say his sim crashes a few seconds after he connects, are you talking about when he connects to VATSIM, or when he connects to you to share the cockpit? Developer: vPilot, VRC, vSTARS, vERAM, VAT-Spy Senior Controller, Boston Virtual ARTCC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Foister Posted April 22, 2015 at 06:51 PM Posted April 22, 2015 at 06:51 PM When you say his sim crashes a few seconds after he connects, are you talking about when he connects to VATSIM, or when he connects to you to share the cockpit? When he connects to vatsim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bradley Grafelman Posted April 22, 2015 at 06:58 PM Posted April 22, 2015 at 06:58 PM When he connects to vatsim Did he try connecting again in the same location but without the shared cockpit? Perhaps it's just a broken model he has enabled that was being drawn for nearby VATSIM traffic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Carlson Posted April 22, 2015 at 07:39 PM Author Posted April 22, 2015 at 07:39 PM As Bradley suggested, it's probably a problem with a corrupt model causing P3D to crash. Lots of the IVAO models can cause that problem with P3D even if they don't for FSX. Probably other model sets can cause the same issue. Developer: vPilot, VRC, vSTARS, vERAM, VAT-Spy Senior Controller, Boston Virtual ARTCC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Reynolds Posted April 22, 2015 at 11:22 PM Posted April 22, 2015 at 11:22 PM Hi there, My Vpilot is totally fine, But when me and friend try to connectto VATSIM , I use FSX and he uses P3D and his sim crashes but mine stays fine. He will literally connect and then after 4 seconds his P3D will crash but mine don't. Maybe it's just a bug ? Thanks Mark, there are a few people posting about crashes with 1.3C version of the Airbus. You may need to isolate the incident. Try both you and your friend doing circuits without shared cockpit and without connecting to Vatsim. If you have no issues after about 10 minutes, try connecting to VATSIM without shared cockpit. If that works, then try shared cockpit without VPilot If that works ok, then try shared cockpit with Vpilot It really is the only way to properly isolate the issue. The patch 1.3C is comeulative, but a lot of people are skipping parts of the installation, such as rebooting the PC, and it is causing issues. Hope you can get it sorted soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panagiotis Konstantinidis Posted April 23, 2015 at 04:26 PM Posted April 23, 2015 at 04:26 PM I did the first test flight today, I was connected as OBS on a networked setup. Everything worked like a charm, except the jerky movement of the one online traffic we had at the departure airport, while he was taxing to the gate. It looked like the jerky movement we had back on the initial release, when we were running vPilot on a networked, remote computer. Overall, great work Ross, thank you very much! Panagiotis Konstantinidis ACCGR11, HvACC Deputy Director Airport Briefing | Air Traffic Overview | Euroscope Guide | Euroscope Sector Files Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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