Middle East weekly online day

[Mahmoud Fadli 819693]

no offense or something

wat happened to gulf_fss

 

I would [Mod - Happy Thoughts]ume that since VATSAB is somewhat operational, all areas that were once covered by Gulf_FSS would now be under VATSAB.

[Ebrahim Kooheji 984076]

no vatsab.. controls the saudi and bahrain fir....

while gulf_fss controls all of the gulf and few of ojai

 

its on the site..

 

cheers

[Krzysztof Szerszen 861225]

Hi.

 

Some time ago we tried a similar event with Malta, Greece, Italy and Cyprus. It didn't work even though these vACCs are older and bigger, and we only wanted it to last 2 or 3 hrs. The main problem was that each vacc preferred different day, or different hours, and also some of them were unable to promise that there will be someone staffing the position.

 

My suggestion was, and I put it forward to you, "cross-guest" policy - providing people from other participating vaccs, after some familiarization, visiting status. That way, if vacc A has 2 controllers available on a given day, and vacc B has none, you have problem solved.

[Sönke Schweppe]

In my opinion the major problems are:

• The time (starting and and ending in UTC)
  
• The day
  
• Controllers
  
• Duration of the event 3 hours
  
• Reliable online time for the pilots

 

I've sended an email to Cyprus if they like to join and I like to wait until next Sudnay for an answer. After that I think it's a good idea to have a voice chat. I prefer a chat via Teamspeak. Is there someone who is unable to use Teamspeak?

I'll send you the information about our server via PM right in time. I suggest 18.00 UTC for the meeting on Tuesday, 7th August.

I like to use the summery some postings above as basis for the discussion.

Edited August 1, 2007 at 04:36 PM by Guest

[Sönke Schweppe]

Hello

Some time ago we tried a similar event with Malta, Greece, Italy and Cyprus. It didn't work even though these vACCs are older and bigger, and we only wanted it to last 2 or 3 hrs. The main problem was that each vacc preferred different day, or different hours, and also some of them were unable to promise that there will be someone staffing the position.

In my opinion and based on experience a duration of 2 hours doesn't work. For an online event you need 3 hours and this is the absolutely minimum time. Have a look at the world map: We are planing an event over a big area. The pilots need time to fly from pace A to place B. Not every pilots starts with the beginning of the event. And when he is airborn he also likes to have ATC service until he is landed. For example a flight from HECA -> OMDB with a route distance of 1326,0 NM needs ca 2,5 hours plus pre-flight.

 

So I think: We do not need to start our event with a duration of 2 hours.

 

 

 

My suggestion was, and I put it forward to you, "cross-guest" policy - providing people from other participating vaccs, after some familiarization, visiting status. That way, if vacc A has 2 controllers available on a given day, and vacc B has none, you have problem solved.

 

Thanks. I think guest controllers can solve this problem. And I think it's also interesting for the controllers to work at different airports.

 

But this can only work on one condition: The event airport at the home vACC of the guest controller must be full staffed for this event. I think it's not a good idea that a controller is working in an other vACC as guest and at home a ground controller is missing.

[Krzysztof Szerszen 861225]

You might be right, and I share your point, but when I proposed 4hrs, no one agreed. Hope this works for you.

 

And of course, the guest controller scheme would be auxiliary, when you have a "spare" controller to share.

[Navid Hamzeloo 938184]

Hi

I totaly Agree that 2 hours is not enough. But I think its good to start with. I personaly can do 4 Hours. the other controller can't so As soon as he logs off OIIX_CTR, I can take over.

 

The problem we have for 4 hours is just lack of controller, if a VACC has for example 2 CTR controlleres, they can do 2 hours each.

As I said, I know 2 hours is not enough, but its good to start with, then once we attracted loads of traffic, the controllers will stay longer, because they simply enjoy it.

 

Ps. Tuesday 1800Z is fine by me

 

Regards

 

Navid Hamzeloo

www.iran-vacc.org

[John Jones 972609]

Hi Soenke,

 

Thanks for the PM, I tried to respond but it didn't work.

 

It was nice to talk with you on TS the other day, but sadly I have a prior appointment on the evening of the vACC meeting, and I dont have a deputy director at this time.

 

If possible please give my apologies, and perhaps someone at the meeting can email me with what was decided or discussed.

 

Regards

John Jones _ Emirates vACC

[Sönke Schweppe]

Hello John,

 

as I wrote in the PM the replay doesn't work, due a wrong letter in my name, you must use email.

 

I have send the invitation to all and I think it's not a good idea to cancel. So I hope we find an agreement which you can agree too.

 

Soenke

[John Jones 972609]

Hi Soenke,

 

I will try my level best to be at the meeting, but, if I cannot I will send a deputy in my place. Please do not even consider re-arranging the meeting because I cant be there, I will go with the majority vote if anything is decided and will fit in with the new system as best I can.

 

Regards

John

[Navid Hamzeloo 938184]

Hi Soenke

When I try to logino TS it says " Bad Login (name and/or p[Mod - Happy Thoughts]word wrong) "

 

Cheers

[Navid Hamzeloo 938184]

Hi Soenke

Thanks but it still not working , can you send me you email address please?

Cheers

[Sönke Schweppe]

Ok,

only 4 vACC joined the chat

 

The project is stopped and will revive in furture.

[Johnathon Neilsen 955672]

I am seeking intrest to restart this event, please pm me or email me if interested. Im hoping to make it a fortnightly event.

 

Regards,

 

Johnathon

Events Coordinator

VATSIM Middle-East Division (VATME4)

[Ahmed Hasan 958620]

I am seeking intrest to restart this event, please pm me or email me if interested. Im hoping to make it a fortnightly event.

 

Regards,

 

Johnathon

Events Coordinator

VATSIM Middle-East Division (VATME4)

 

I totally Agree with you Jonathon

But We have to get Saudi Arabia in Action as soon as possible because it's the link between Africa And Middle East

2 Hours with no ATC is quite boring for any pilot to fly from HECA to OMDB

[Abdelrahman M. Elfeky 1044]

nice idea , hope to see real event , and real traffic

 

 

best regards ,,,