Ross Carlson Posted September 20, 2005 at 09:26 PM Posted September 20, 2005 at 09:26 PM (edited) Just happened to see this over in the Squawkbox forums: Air Force 1 callsign has been using AF1 for a few months now. There was an FAA GENOT issued this summer, I do not remember which number exactly. The SAM callsigns show up as S28000 and S29000. Anyone know how to view GENOTs on the web, or have access to them? Here's the thread this was posted in: http://squawkbox.ca/forum/viewtopic.php?p=13250#13250 Edited September 20, 2005 at 09:45 PM by Guest Developer: vPilot, VRC, vSTARS, vERAM, VAT-Spy Senior Controller, Boston Virtual ARTCC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Glorioso 810788 Posted September 20, 2005 at 09:43 PM Posted September 20, 2005 at 09:43 PM Anyone know how to view GENOTs on the web, or have access to them? I tried to find it before posting it in the whole A1/AF1/AFR1 debate. I will see what I can scare up when I go to work. VATSIM Membership North America Manager VATUSA Senior Controller FAA ZDC Not-So-Senior Controller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Clark Posted September 21, 2005 at 06:43 AM Posted September 21, 2005 at 06:43 AM I will happily accept the text of an FAA Genot as evidence of a change in regs... Looking forward to seeing any text you can dig up Mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Glorioso 810788 Posted September 24, 2005 at 12:23 AM Posted September 24, 2005 at 12:23 AM GENOT # 5/29 (Notice N7110.409).....still working on full text (have to type it in when I get it). VATSIM Membership North America Manager VATUSA Senior Controller FAA ZDC Not-So-Senior Controller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Hjemvick 811983 Posted September 25, 2005 at 09:19 PM Posted September 25, 2005 at 09:19 PM Ive seen the GENOT as well, AF1 is the callsign boys. Sorry to be so late into this "debate." Good job Pablo. CMEL.CSEL.IA.AGI.CFI.CFII.MEI.CRJ2.FO.Furloughed Part of the Acey 80 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Glorioso 810788 Posted September 26, 2005 at 01:32 PM Posted September 26, 2005 at 01:32 PM VC-25 Flight Management Systems (FMS) uprades and subsequent implementation of Future Air Navigation (FANS) procedures has driven the need to reevaluate the Air Force One (A1) and Air Force Two (A2) call signs. Within FANS, the VC-25 now has the capability (operationally approved and certified) to obtain digital oceanic clearances (OCX) and utilize ATS datalink services to include automatic dependent surveillance (ADS) waypoint position reporting and controller pilot datalink communications (CPDLC). Unfortunatly, to utilize these services, the aircraft must register and file a call sign with at least three digits. As a stopgap measure, the presidential airlift group has filed A1/2 on all travel requireing a DD Form 1801. This has caused confusion since we still use the A1 and A2 for all conus flights. To alleviate confusion caused by dual callsign usage, change the abbreviated call signs for Air Force One and Two to AF1 and AF2 respectively. AF1 and AF2 will be used for all operations (conus and oconus) and all aircraft flying those missions. VATSIM Membership North America Manager VATUSA Senior Controller FAA ZDC Not-So-Senior Controller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Harris 877712 Posted September 26, 2005 at 05:47 PM Posted September 26, 2005 at 05:47 PM Now does the AF1 or AF2 only apply for oceanic flights? Or for domestic flights also? Not great on aviation/govenmentese so couldn't make it out for myself Jason Harris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Schott 939274 Posted September 26, 2005 at 07:11 PM Posted September 26, 2005 at 07:11 PM Now does the AF1 or AF2 only apply for oceanic flights? Or for domestic flights also? Not great on aviation/govenmentese so couldn't make it out for myself I think (though I may be wrong) this is it. y. AF1 and AF2 will be used for all operations (conus and oconus) and all aircraft flying those missions. CONtinental United States (CONUS) OCONUS? Outside of the CONtinental United States? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Harris 877712 Posted September 26, 2005 at 09:26 PM Posted September 26, 2005 at 09:26 PM Thanks Brian. My ignorance stretches far an wide, so I hadn't a clue what CONUS and OCONUS were referring to. Jason Harris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Javier Larroulet Posted September 27, 2005 at 05:57 AM Posted September 27, 2005 at 05:57 AM anyone else thought it was an obscure reference to some secret thing in latin? Javier Larroulet (C3) - Chile vACC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffery Williams 849847 Posted September 27, 2005 at 04:20 PM Posted September 27, 2005 at 04:20 PM For the record, Clinton was switching between the 747 and 707 as Air Force One even up until the late 1990's. As a matter of fact, one of the 707's got stuck in the gr[Mod - Happy Thoughts] at KCMI around 1997 while he was visiting there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Moulton Posted September 27, 2005 at 06:44 PM Posted September 27, 2005 at 06:44 PM Actually, Bush 41 took posession of the first 747, though he may never have actually flown on it. He for sure toured the aircraft before he left office. Fly Safe! Have Fun! Craig Moulton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Stearns Posted September 28, 2005 at 10:01 PM Posted September 28, 2005 at 10:01 PM I remember Bush 41 traveling during the '92 campaign aboard the 747...so he was able to use it for part of his presidency. I know they were using the 707s for airports that couldn't handle the 747 (Clinton flew on one to BUR after the '94 Northridge earthquake in Socal). Anyone know if they're (the 707s) still in service? ZLA, Facility Engineer, C-3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Gaston 924750 Posted October 23, 2006 at 08:14 PM Posted October 23, 2006 at 08:14 PM WOW! What a read.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Speranza 908835 Posted October 25, 2006 at 12:14 AM Posted October 25, 2006 at 12:14 AM Interesting that they didn't use A01 or A02 as a stopgap...Instead of AF1 and AF2.... Oh well....I guess that's how the world works. I'm convinced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Vitaliano 891638 Posted October 25, 2006 at 10:22 AM Posted October 25, 2006 at 10:22 AM If you as pilot want to fly as Air Force go for it.....I think Air Force 1 is very symbolic for most American's & I'm very happy that you asked first because I think that shows respect. I would have done the same thing if I wanted to fly another countries icon aircraft such as this. So by all measn enjoy the hobby & I think it's creatiove myself. I hope whoever flies Air Force 1 has an enjoyable time..that's why we're all here. Jason "Vito" Vitaliano S3 Controller vUSAF Pilot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Fries Posted October 27, 2006 at 10:49 PM Posted October 27, 2006 at 10:49 PM i thought separation between AF1 and other aircraft was no different than two regular IFR planes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Littlejohn Posted October 27, 2006 at 11:33 PM Posted October 27, 2006 at 11:33 PM i thought separation between AF1 and other aircraft was no different than two regular IFR planes You're right.. in both the sense of Air France 1 and Air Force 1. A01 doesn't garter any preferential treatment over any other aircraft here. I know I won't be telling the C172 5 miles ahead of A01 to get out of the way because the virtual president is on it.. BL. Brad Littlejohn ZLA Senior Controller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Carlson Posted October 28, 2006 at 01:11 AM Posted October 28, 2006 at 01:11 AM I know I won't be telling the C172 5 miles ahead of A01 to get out of the way because the virtual president is on it.. Yeah, there's a far more pressing reason to tell a 172 to get out of the way of a 747. Developer: vPilot, VRC, vSTARS, vERAM, VAT-Spy Senior Controller, Boston Virtual ARTCC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andras Kiss 888081 Posted October 28, 2006 at 02:28 AM Posted October 28, 2006 at 02:28 AM I know I won't be telling the C172 5 miles ahead of A01 to get out of the way because the virtual president is on it.. Yeah, there's a far more pressing reason to tell a 172 to get out of the way of a 747. Hahaha Ross quite amusing Andras Kiss NYARTCC Controller 3, NYARTCC Mentor NYARTCC [Mod - Happy Thoughts]istant Webmaster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Vipperman 982778 Posted November 7, 2006 at 01:34 AM Posted November 7, 2006 at 01:34 AM Hi guys. I'm terribly sorry if this has been asked before but I am new to these forums and although I conducted a search I didn't find anything relevant. So my question is whether I'm allowed to fly a 747 while online with Vatsim using Air Force One as my aircraft identifier. If that can be done, I would further like to know what should I write in the flightplan so that the controlers will know what I'm talking about. Should it be VC-25B? Thanks in advance for the help. Best regards, Victor Lima Is it just me, or did this post get way too long way too quick. Although I agree that in the broad range it stayed on topic, all I have to say is WOW. I am glad to see the bickering stopped by about page 1.5 . Nose up, Gear Down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad Littlejohn Posted November 7, 2006 at 02:11 AM Posted November 7, 2006 at 02:11 AM Is it just me, or did this post get way too long way too quick. Although I agree that in the broad range it stayed on topic, all I have to say is WOW. I am glad to see the bickering stopped by about page 1.5 . Nose up, Gear Down. Bickering?!? This is common for the yearly Air Force One thread! You should have seen the ones some 5 - 6 years ago.. You you would have found nicer fights at soccer and hockey matches! BL. Brad Littlejohn ZLA Senior Controller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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