Mateusz Zymla Posted January 25, 2022 at 12:17 AM Posted January 25, 2022 at 12:17 AM Hello, Euroscope for now allows only to connect exact matching of ICAO_ATIS instance of the ATIS. It would be helpful if other callsigns were allowed (MEM_ATIS or LLBG_A_ATIS). Thanks. 2 Mateusz Zymla - 1131338 VATSIMer since 2009, IRL pilot rated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernardo Reis Posted January 25, 2022 at 12:20 AM Posted January 25, 2022 at 12:20 AM Indeed it would be useful to remove the limit on the callsign. It would allow for a controller to open a DEP ATIS and another an ARR ATIS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawid Reszel Posted January 28, 2022 at 12:06 PM Posted January 28, 2022 at 12:06 PM We could benefit from that. Separate departure and arrival ATISes are becoming more and more common at major airports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torben Andersen Posted January 28, 2022 at 05:14 PM Posted January 28, 2022 at 05:14 PM One potential problem is lack of frequencies. At VATSIM we don't have as many frequencies as in real lift, as older Flightsims does not support 8khz freq. Torben Andersen, VACC-SCA Controller (C1) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mateusz Zymla Posted January 28, 2022 at 11:21 PM Author Posted January 28, 2022 at 11:21 PM (edited) 6 hours ago, Torben Andersen said: One potential problem is lack of frequencies. At VATSIM we don't have as many frequencies as in real lift, as older Flightsims does not support 8khz freq. To be precise, only FS9 (Not supported anymore) and P3D pre-v4 does not support 8.33 kHz channel spacing. I hear the "older sim argument" way too many times already. It used to be something regular to have an audio panel within FSInn back in FS9. I don't get it why vPilot couldn't integrate such thing for older users. We don't even get proper 25 kHz (.720 instead of .725, even though unofficial testing showed it works just fine). As the navigraph survey shows, Sims without 833 support usage is marginal. I would love to bring that to broader attention to technical team. I am afraid, though, as it's strictly European issue, it may not be on proper priority list position to be introduced. Edited January 28, 2022 at 11:26 PM by Mateusz Zymla Mateusz Zymla - 1131338 VATSIMer since 2009, IRL pilot rated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Carlson Posted January 29, 2022 at 12:38 AM Posted January 29, 2022 at 12:38 AM 1 hour ago, Mateusz Zymla said: only FS9 (Not supported anymore) Just a quick correction, FS9 is still supported through swift, as is FlightGear. Both are still very low usage, though. 1 hour ago, Mateusz Zymla said: I don't get it why vPilot couldn't integrate such thing for older users. It certainly could. 2 Developer: vPilot, VRC, vSTARS, vERAM, VAT-Spy Senior Controller, Boston Virtual ARTCC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christoph Reule Posted January 29, 2022 at 08:01 AM Posted January 29, 2022 at 08:01 AM Permanently referring to "older" sims (especially FS9) should be no "excuse" for VATSIM (in general) to at least evaluate the introduction of 8.33 kHz spacing, IMO... As said above, most sims used on the network do support this, and the "rest" could have an audio panel as mentioned above. And as a side note, if IVAO can manage this (for a quite long time now) I'm absolutely sure VATSIM can manage as well... Just my 2 cents. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mateusz Zymla Posted January 29, 2022 at 09:01 AM Author Posted January 29, 2022 at 09:01 AM (edited) 8 hours ago, Ross Carlson said: Just a quick correction, FS9 is still supported through swift, as is FlightGear. Both are still very low usage, though. It certainly could. Sorry for the FS9, thanks for clarifying. 59 minutes ago, Christoph Reule said: Permanently referring to "older" sims (especially FS9) should be no "excuse" for VATSIM (in general) to at least evaluate the introduction of 8.33 kHz spacing, IMO... As said above, most sims used on the network do support this, and the "rest" could have an audio panel as mentioned above. And as a side note, if IVAO can manage this (for a quite long time now) I'm absolutely sure VATSIM can manage as well... Just my 2 cents. I didn't want to mention different networks but yes, even IVAO did it. AFV team always says it's not an AFV limitation however, it's not their responsibility to do so but the technical team. Maybe we don't need to create another topic, is there anybody here who could be mentioned to further discuss it? @Ross Carlson? And if so, I can post a new thread if it's needed. I think that entire European community will be willing to help! Edited January 29, 2022 at 09:01 AM by Mateusz Zymla 1 Mateusz Zymla - 1131338 VATSIMer since 2009, IRL pilot rated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreas Fuchs Posted January 29, 2022 at 12:24 PM Posted January 29, 2022 at 12:24 PM Please don't forget that this may lead to issues for those pilots who want to uplink ATIS information through their CPDLC-clients. As far as I know, those applications are looking for ATIS-information being provided through the format "ICAO_ATIS". Cheers, Andreas Member of VATSIM GermanyMy real flying on InstagramMy Twitch streams of VATSIM flights and ATC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mateusz Zymla Posted January 29, 2022 at 12:50 PM Author Posted January 29, 2022 at 12:50 PM 25 minutes ago, Andreas Fuchs said: Please don't forget that this may lead to issues for those pilots who want to uplink ATIS information through their CPDLC-clients. As far as I know, those applications are looking for ATIS-information being provided through the format "ICAO_ATIS". In Poland there's no D-ATIS available anyways 😄 Mateusz Zymla - 1131338 VATSIMer since 2009, IRL pilot rated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreas Fuchs Posted January 29, 2022 at 12:59 PM Posted January 29, 2022 at 12:59 PM Although this is not the point... Cheers, Andreas Member of VATSIM GermanyMy real flying on InstagramMy Twitch streams of VATSIM flights and ATC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mateusz Zymla Posted January 29, 2022 at 01:04 PM Author Posted January 29, 2022 at 01:04 PM 3 minutes ago, Andreas Fuchs said: Although this is not the point... Some software already allows to connect it this way. if we made it clear this would be acceptable way of logging ATIS, 3rd party apps would need to adjust. We do not have officially VATSIM-recognized CPDLC client, though. Mateusz Zymla - 1131338 VATSIMer since 2009, IRL pilot rated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreas Fuchs Posted January 29, 2022 at 02:23 PM Posted January 29, 2022 at 02:23 PM What would be the benefit of having a separate departure and arrival ATIS, at VATSIM. In the real world, it is clear, although even there I don't see the point at many airports where they are offered separately. Cheers, Andreas Member of VATSIM GermanyMy real flying on InstagramMy Twitch streams of VATSIM flights and ATC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernardo Reis Posted January 29, 2022 at 10:23 PM Posted January 29, 2022 at 10:23 PM 7 hours ago, Andreas Fuchs said: What would be the benefit of having a separate departure and arrival ATIS, at VATSIM. In the real world, it is clear, although even there I don't see the point at many airports where they are offered separately. It would be the same in VATSIM. Shorter ATIS messages. If you include elements of arrival and departure ATIS on the same one, it can get really big. Not all ATIS are the same and have the same information, but it would come in handy in a lot of places. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hongye Rudi Zhang Posted February 1, 2022 at 10:20 AM Posted February 1, 2022 at 10:20 AM VATSIM recommends that ATIS should be within 1 minute. In China, in real life, combining the information of departures and arrivals may more than 5 minutes. If they are separated, this time will be greatly shortened. On the other hand, it will be more realistic. 🤣 If VATSIM really allows separate 2 ATIS, which is one ATC can open up to 2 ATIS, that would be a very nice feature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mateusz Zymla Posted February 1, 2022 at 12:32 PM Author Posted February 1, 2022 at 12:32 PM 2 hours ago, Hongye Rudi Zhang said: If VATSIM really allows separate 2 ATIS, which is one ATC can open up to 2 ATIS, that would be a very nice feature. Well, there's not technical limitation that airport cannot have 2 ATISes, AFAIK. Just one controller can host only 1 ATIS, hence your departure ATIS would need to be hosted by one controller, while arrival ATIS by another. Mateusz Zymla - 1131338 VATSIMer since 2009, IRL pilot rated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Board of Governors Don Desfosse Posted February 1, 2022 at 12:55 PM Board of Governors Posted February 1, 2022 at 12:55 PM Based on this thread, we are having discussions about the possibility, and weighing benefit to the network vs. the increased cost. 3 Don Desfosse Vice President, Operations Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hongye Rudi Zhang Posted February 1, 2022 at 01:05 PM Posted February 1, 2022 at 01:05 PM 29 minutes ago, Mateusz Zymla said: Well, there's not technical limitation that airport cannot have 2 ATISes, AFAIK. Just one controller can host only 1 ATIS, hence your departure ATIS would need to be hosted by one controller, while arrival ATIS by another. well I think it should be possible if someone is willing to change XDXD 7 minutes ago, Don Desfosse said: Based on this thread, we are having discussions about the possibility, and weighing benefit to the network vs. the increased cost. If this alone increases a lot of cost then i think it may not be necessary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernardo Reis Posted February 1, 2022 at 01:54 PM Posted February 1, 2022 at 01:54 PM 55 minutes ago, Don Desfosse said: Based on this thread, we are having discussions about the possibility, and weighing benefit to the network vs. the increased cost. Thanks for considering it! One step closer to network modernization and evolution. Add 8.33kHz and mode S EHS and you would make all the vACCs happy for many years to come 😄 Speaking of costs, not all airports have it, and it would still be limited to online places so hopefully the toll is not that big. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mateusz Zymla Posted February 1, 2022 at 02:03 PM Author Posted February 1, 2022 at 02:03 PM (edited) 8 minutes ago, Bernardo Reis said: Thanks for considering it! One step closer to network modernization and evolution. Add 8.33kHz and mode S EHS and you would make all the vACCs happy for many years to come 😄 Speaking of costs, not all airports have it, and it would still be limited to online places so hopefully the toll is not that big. Exactly. While I can't speak of deputies from European vACCs, I can as amateur developer, enthusiast and IRL experienced guy - I believe we all are willing to help, if in any need. // CC: @Jonas Kuster @Pierre Ferran@Dawid Reszel 😛 Edited February 1, 2022 at 02:08 PM by Mateusz Zymla 1 Mateusz Zymla - 1131338 VATSIMer since 2009, IRL pilot rated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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