Model matching in msfs?

[Ross Carlson]

1 hour ago, Quinten Bowman said:

Among the things I don't understand is, when we're talking model matching causing a CTD, which program is crashing? MSFS? vPilot? Potentially either or both?

It can be either, but usually it's the sim crashing, and then sometimes that will also cause vPilot to crash.

1 hour ago, Quinten Bowman said:

To meet that goal, I'm contemplating changing Settings>Performance> Do not display aircraft beyond to "zero", and Maximum aircraft to display to "zero." Aside from not being able to see anyone, anyone know of a reason this won't work?

You only need to set the max aircraft to zero. Doing so will make the max range setting irrelevant. (The max range cannot be set below 1 anyway.)

As to your sim crashing, I'm afraid I have no idea what might be causing that. Does it happen only when you connect to the network and there is an aircraft nearby? Or does it also happen when there is no other traffic near you? If it only happens when there is traffic nearby, is it only when a certain model is used to render that traffic?

Have you tried temporarily removing MegaLiveries?

[Quinten Bowman]

Frankly, I haven't paid much attention to who else is around. Since they are both early flights, I've specifically chosen to fly out of relatively unpopulated airports (CYLW and KGEG) so that any ignorance I display affects the least number of other users. I was flying towards KSEA and CYVR. It is entirely possible that I got within the standard 40 miles injection radius of another user, triggered model matching, and caused MSFS to crash. That's actually the possibility I'm troubleshooting. But I have 2 data points, which isn't enough to draw conclusions.

For what it's worth, MSFS appears to crash much less often (every 10-12 hours, versus every 30 minutes) when I don't have vPilot attached.

I will remove the megaliveries and see if that changes something. While I don't see how it could be related, I can also try removing A320NX and a A321 that was imported/upgraded from MFSX. It's likely my next flight will be 0300Z, so I won't have anything to report until tomorrow.

As a point of protocol, should I let ATC know I've had crash issues in the flight plan notes? Via voice? Do they get the message that my sim crashed when it happens? Is there a way to let them know what happened when I suddenly drop off radar?

[Robert Shearman Jr]

48 minutes ago, Quinten Bowman said:

Is there a way to let them know what happened when I suddenly drop off radar?

If your Pilot Client remains connected while an exception or other error message remains on-screen, you can key up and let them know.  Otherwise, don't worry about it.  If you drop off the scope and don't reappear within a couple minutes, they'll assume you aborted for one reason or another & will move on with their day. 

[Quinten Bowman]

Update, which might be moot, since I see vPilot updated this morning and the new version seems to disable model matching for msfs. But in case this is helpful to someone else, here's what I've learned. 

Last night I was able to complete my first Vatsim flight ever, from KEUG to KGAG, by going into performance and turning maximum aircraft to display to ZERO. There was other Vatsim traffic in the area, but I obviously couldn't see them because I'd turned them off.

Next, I turned aircraft back to 999 and logged in parked at KSEA, because it was busy with other Vatsim pilots. MSFS crashed to desktop within a minute. I get the impression MSFS is crashing because it is receiving information about Vatsim pilots that MSFS can't handle. My suspect is still something about the Megaliveries (currently running all of 11.3).

Testing that, I removed Megaliveries, spawned next to a busy airport, and just sat for a while (defined as more than a couple minutes and until I got bored). No crash.

My current hypothesis is that either there are errors in Megaliveries, which vPilot is dutifully passing on to MSFS, and MSFS can't handle.

I have no idea where or how to start diagnosing Megaliveries.

[Ross Carlson]

5 hours ago, Quinten Bowman said:

I see vPilot updated this morning and the new version seems to disable model matching for msfs

That's not the case. The 2.6.9 update just fixes a bug that was causing some MSFS models to not load correctly.

[Elias Stassinos]

13 hours ago, Ross Carlson said:

That's not the case. The 2.6.9 update just fixes a bug that was causing some MSFS models to not load correctly.

So this is expected behavior? or something is wrong in my setup?

[Ross Carlson]

That button is disabled because vPilot does not have a way to scan for installed models with MSFS. The default model matching rules are hardcoded.

[Diego Vasquez]

On 11/13/2020 at 12:37 PM, Quinten Bowman said:

Update, which might be moot, since I see vPilot updated this morning and the new version seems to disable model matching for msfs. But in case this is helpful to someone else, here's what I've learned. 

Last night I was able to complete my first Vatsim flight ever, from KEUG to KGAG, by going into performance and turning maximum aircraft to display to ZERO. There was other Vatsim traffic in the area, but I obviously couldn't see them because I'd turned them off.

Next, I turned aircraft back to 999 and logged in parked at KSEA, because it was busy with other Vatsim pilots. MSFS crashed to desktop within a minute. I get the impression MSFS is crashing because it is receiving information about Vatsim pilots that MSFS can't handle. My suspect is still something about the Megaliveries (currently running all of 11.3).

Testing that, I removed Megaliveries, spawned next to a busy airport, and just sat for a while (defined as more than a couple minutes and until I got bored). No crash.

My current hypothesis is that either there are errors in Megaliveries, which vPilot is dutifully passing on to MSFS, and MSFS can't handle.

I have no idea where or how to start diagnosing Megaliveries.

Thanks, I have been for now actively avoiding customizing any AI model packs - not only because they may be buggy and/or break with every Asobo ubdate - also other aircraft look like a small bunch of pixels grossly overshadowed by their own lights. Except when really, really close which is not common.

I am still looking forward to a modest but reliable VATSIM-optimized livery pack for the Default AI/low-poly models.

 

Edited November 14, 2020 at 06:00 PM by Diego Vasquez

[Teemu Pienimaki 828685]

Post removed as referenced solution violates the TOS of the package used. -MB

[Brendan Ratchford]

On 11/15/2020 at 2:31 AM, Teemu Pienimaki 828685 said:

Post removed as referenced solution violates the TOS of the package used. -MB

 

Can you PM me the name? 

[Aake Friman]

What is the latest stand regarding a ” modified” vmr file for MSFS models in vPilot?

[Aake Friman]

On 12/7/2020 at 9:27 AM, Aake Friman said:

What is the latest stand regarding a ” modified” vmr file for MSFS models in vPilot?

Peculiar that you could not provide this feedback here at vPilot??

Modelmatching MSFS

 

[Ross Carlson]

11 hours ago, Aake Friman said:

Peculiar that you could not provide this feedback here at vPilot??

Modelmatching MSFS

 

That's a third party project that is not provided by myself or by VATSIM. I don't use it, nor can I vouch for its quality, stability, or completeness.

[Aake Friman]

10 hours ago, Ross Carlson said:

That's a third party project that is not provided by myself or by VATSIM. I don't use it, nor can I vouch for its quality, stability, or completeness.

It appears to be OK, I now see more correct models on other participants have unchecked Live traffic so that I only see them. 

This is how it looks in v-Pilot:

[Aake Friman]

I get this issue implented as of above- what can I do- is it my livery installed or what?

 

[Matthew Bartels]

49 minutes ago, Aake Friman said:

I get this issue implented as of above- what can I do- is it my livery installed or what?

 

We aren't providing support for this package. It's not officially supported by VATSIM.

[Aake Friman]

I understand. Are you working on an own vmr-file that will utilize the MSFS compatible models? It would be nice to avoid mixing with IVAO setup as recommended.

[Serge Rusak]

Hello, Guys!  I've read through the whole topic, but unfortunately I didn't find any problem solution (or maybe missed something?)

I am using fs2020 and after vpilot connected to the server in 1 I get the following warning and get disco from the server:

In the Model Matching options I have: Generic Airliner Twin engines Asobo 00 like in the picture, but scan option is disabled...

I also downloaded various vrm files and added to the rules, but doesn't work out...

Please, advise what should I do in order to get rid of the problem of being thrown out of the server??

Thank you in advance! 

 

UPD: I found a solution in similar topics here.  I just need to enter a title of any  aircraft installed instead of General Airliner Twin engines Asobo 00.  Let's see how it works

Edited December 21, 2020 at 11:22 AM by Serge Rusak

[Aake Friman]

Can we expect any support on this topic from Vatsim/vPilot?

[Aake Friman]

On 12/23/2020 at 10:07 AM, Aake Friman said:

Can we expect any support on this topic from Vatsim/vPilot?

No

[Vitaly Latyshev]

On 11/14/2020 at 3:33 PM, Elias Stassinos said:

So this is expected behavior? or something is wrong in my setup?

after version 2.6.7 vPilot stops to find MSFS Path again.

[Thiago Braga]

11 hours ago, Vitaly Latyshev said:

after version 2.6.7 vPilot stops to find MSFS Path again.

I also cannot scan on version 2.6.10

 

[Ross Carlson]

That's because scanning is not applicable for MSFS, just like the text says to the left of the button. 

Edited December 29, 2020 at 01:03 AM by Ross Carlson

[Thiago Braga]

36 minutes ago, Ross Carlson said:

That's because scanning is not applicable for MSFS, just like the text says to the left of the button. 

Ok;

 I found another way for AITraffic integration. Hope it will works.

 Thanks

TB

[Ross Carlson]

vPilot will use the default aircraft that come with MSFS. If you want to use custom model sets, you just need to load a VMR file, same as with FSX or P3D.