Brian Knoblauch 1155119 Posted August 12, 2011 at 10:41 PM Posted August 12, 2011 at 10:41 PM Warning: SR71 will bust 250kts on take off That's OK, most military jets have an exemption. Of course, VATSIM controllers aren't always aware of it. Flying my T-38 (300kts real world exemption) at a requested (no, actually *required* by controller) 200kts being vectored in was entertaining. 30 miles out, tons of flaps to keep the alpha from getting too high and tons of extra power (and fuel, from an already way too small tank) gets kind of interesting... Didn't run out of fuel, but it was coming down fast! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Hawton Posted August 12, 2011 at 11:50 PM Posted August 12, 2011 at 11:50 PM Warning: SR71 will bust 250kts on take off That's OK, most military jets have an exemption. Of course, VATSIM controllers aren't always aware of it. Flying my T-38 (300kts real world exemption) at a requested (no, actually *required* by controller) 200kts being vectored in was entertaining. 30 miles out, tons of flaps to keep the alpha from getting too high and tons of extra power (and fuel, from an already way too small tank) gets kind of interesting... Didn't run out of fuel, but it was coming down fast! In the US this is not accurate. Military aircraft have the same speed restrictions as everyone else: 250 knots below 10000, 200 knots of less within 4 nm of a cl[Mod - Happy Thoughts] C airport below 4000 (iirc, don't quote me on this one), etc. The only exceptions: safe operation of the aircraft require a faster speed, operating within SUA, and probably a few others. That said, military aircraft must fly slow speeds beneath 10,000 feet like everyone else unless they require a faster speed for safe operations. F18s, for instance, can most definitely fly 220 knots without a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Baxter 920557 Posted August 12, 2011 at 11:54 PM Posted August 12, 2011 at 11:54 PM The actual exemption in real life doesn't read to exempt most military jets are excluded rather that it allows them to exceed 250kts for an express tactical purpose (formation join up, radar evasion, dogfighting, etc). Then the exclusion for safety of flight applies to military jets but most won't need to unless all hardpoints are loaded. And Daniel beats me to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Smith 1054085 Posted August 13, 2011 at 02:00 AM Posted August 13, 2011 at 02:00 AM Don't know if its relevant but some military airports also have waivers in place for that kind of thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Rodgers 910155 Posted August 13, 2011 at 06:23 AM Posted August 13, 2011 at 06:23 AM ...and they don't have a supersonic exemption either. Just putting it out there. It's the same off-coast restriction, or a couple remote locations in the deserts of the southwest. I had one pilot try to tell me off on that one, and tried to pull a "well I'm above FL600" as well. Sure, you don't have to comply with my restrictions as a controller, but you still have to pay attention to the FARs Kyle Rodgers The content of this post, unless expressly written, refers only to those procedures in the United States of America, following the Federal Aviation Administration Regulations thereof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Knoblauch 1155119 Posted August 13, 2011 at 12:16 PM Posted August 13, 2011 at 12:16 PM ...and they don't have a supersonic exemption either. Just putting it out there. It's the same off-coast restriction, or a couple remote locations in the deserts of the southwest. I had one pilot try to tell me off on that one, and tried to pull a "well I'm above FL600" as well. Sure, you don't have to comply with my restrictions as a controller, but you still have to pay attention to the FARs Yep, definitely on the supersonic. Although, a few weeks ago the news was reporting that we should be hearing sonic booms as our local ANG had to do some engine acceptance tests and they'd be doing them right here. That really strikes me as odd as there's a MOA just a half hour (for them) away. You'd think they'd do it in the MOA. The 300kts thing I've run across on a handful of jet fighters, but you're right in saying that it's not all of them. The FAR says "unless otherwise authorized" on the speed limits, and the operating information I read on the T-38 says to maintain 300kts until pattern entry. Fairly obvious where that would be VFR, IFR I'm guessing the FAF? I'm going to look and see if I can find any more info about that. It makes sense given the operation characteristics. Starts to gain alpha and pick up drag in a hurry as you slow. Definitely not as slow flight friendly as more modern jets (like the F-18). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Smith Posted August 15, 2011 at 07:25 PM Posted August 15, 2011 at 07:25 PM I had dinner on Friday evening with a gentleman who's transitioning from P-3's (USN) to U-2's (USAF), and will be starting the transition via T-38's in the near future. He specifically mentioned that they use 300kts as standard for the initial, and not just at military fields. I also recall speaking to an ex F-4 driver who spoke of a 'book' with published speeds above 250kts for all sorts of airframes used by the military. The F-4 had a 280kt exemption if memory serves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Uytterhoeven 1151895 Posted August 15, 2011 at 08:35 PM Posted August 15, 2011 at 08:35 PM Pilot: Brussels Control goodevening, ABC123 at FL290 overhead KONAN HDG 205 Speed 445kt's indicated destination LTAI. Me: ABC123, Goodevening sir, I don't need all that info. Callsign, Flightlevel and present position is everything I need. Pilot: Ok sir I'm at FL290 destination LTAI Me: ABC123, just nevermind. Identified and for your info you are overhead KOK now on a heading of 205 at FL290 with a speed of 450kt's and surprisingly your destination still is LTAI. Pilot: Thank you sir Guess he didn't notice the joke? BeluxvACC Controller ezyJet VA Staff Member | Vatsim Liaison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Hawton Posted August 15, 2011 at 09:23 PM Posted August 15, 2011 at 09:23 PM ... T-38's in the near future. He specifically mentioned that they use 300kts as standard for the initial, and not just at military fields. T-38s cannot safely execute an overhead break unless they maintain 300 knots-ish until the numbers. Not an exception beyond safety of flight exception. If a B744, for instance, couldn't keep its speeds low due to an emergency of some sort, may keep its speeds up without violating the restrictions due to safety of flight requirements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amrit Ayalur 1138518 Posted August 17, 2011 at 10:26 PM Posted August 17, 2011 at 10:26 PM Why does almost every seemingly harmless thread in this forum harbor an argument of some sort? HCF_AA/S3 Mentor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Hawton Posted August 17, 2011 at 10:55 PM Posted August 17, 2011 at 10:55 PM Why does almost every seemingly harmless thread in this forum harbor an argument of some sort? It's all how you look at it. 1) it could be an argument or 2) it could be an open discussion with opposing views. Personally I see more discussions than arguments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Baxter 920557 Posted August 18, 2011 at 07:16 AM Posted August 18, 2011 at 07:16 AM Why does almost every seemingly harmless thread in this forum harbor an argument of some sort? It's all how you look at it. 1) it could be an argument or 2) it could be an open discussion with opposing views. Personally I see more discussions than arguments. NEGATIVE, there cannot be conflict on the forums!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Plumb 1108305 Posted August 18, 2011 at 07:27 AM Posted August 18, 2011 at 07:27 AM Why does almost every seemingly harmless thread in this forum harbor an argument of some sort? It's all how you look at it. 1) it could be an argument or 2) it could be an open discussion with opposing views. Personally I see more discussions than arguments. NEGATIVE, there cannot be conflict on the forums!! Oh yeah? Says who? j/k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bernard tremblay Posted August 18, 2011 at 04:36 PM Posted August 18, 2011 at 04:36 PM ...Pilot: Up to 320, but can't go to SSOXS. I'm a Yankees fan. BOS_CTR: United xxx, alright... Prepare to copy holding instructions. Pilot: Direct SSOXS, United xxx /me writes note to self:Don't mess with BOS_CTR If you look to see how the system works Likely you will find that it doesn't. @bentrem - FSX SP2 | AMD Athlon II 630 2.8GHz X4 | GA-MA785 | Radeon 5770 | 6GB DDR3 | XP Pro | Saitek X52 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Board of Governors Don Desfosse Posted August 18, 2011 at 05:31 PM Board of Governors Posted August 18, 2011 at 05:31 PM A wise man, indeed! Don Desfosse Vice President, Operations Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Avila 1077868 Posted August 19, 2011 at 02:34 PM Posted August 19, 2011 at 02:34 PM From a friend of mine who flies RW down in the LGB area Cessna: long beach tower there is a coyote on delta and he is about to walk onto 25L. Tower: just be carefull he's in position but has not been cleared for takeoff yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Knoblauch 1155119 Posted August 20, 2011 at 01:06 AM Posted August 20, 2011 at 01:06 AM Why does almost every seemingly harmless thread in this forum harbor an argument of some sort? It's all how you look at it. 1) it could be an argument or 2) it could be an open discussion with opposing views. Personally I see more discussions than arguments. Same here. I try to take all the posts in the best spirit possible. I come here to get opinions and answers. Sometimes we don't agree, but that certainly doesn't make it an argument. I also consider them discussions! Now, we're way beyond off-topic (at least partially my fault), let's get back on-topic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Carmona 993591 Posted August 20, 2011 at 05:03 AM Posted August 20, 2011 at 05:03 AM Now, we're way beyond off-topic (at least partially my fault), let's get back on-topic! What were we talking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Sims 1158411 Posted August 21, 2011 at 02:34 PM Author Posted August 21, 2011 at 02:34 PM Now, we're way beyond off-topic (at least partially my fault), let's get back on-topic! What were we talking about? The funniest things you have ever heard while controlling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hadi Remonion 1198912 Posted August 29, 2011 at 10:40 PM Posted August 29, 2011 at 10:40 PM I was today online as EURW_FSS. Pilot 1 and pilot 2 looked like newbies. Pilot 3 was more experienced, but quite nervous since he was eager to make a request, and didn't have the chance as the frequency was busy. Pilot 2 was unreadable "static". Here's what happened:Me: "Pilot 1, identified FL270, continue as filed" Pilot 1: "Can you please say again?" Pilot 2: static (5 secs) Pilot 1: "Sir, you were unreadable, say again one more time" Pilot 2: static (again for 5 secs) Pilot 1: "Sir, I'm sry but I didn't understand you, please say again" Pilot 2: static... Pilot 1: "Sir, please use text" Pilot 3, quite nervous...: "[callsign], request descent to FL240" Pilot 1: "Confirm descent to FL240?". I fell off the chair here Pilot 3, knew what was going on, but he didn't care: "Roger, descending to FL240" (quite allright for me) Pilot 1: "Sir, please use text, I'm quite confused now". At that point, I used text hahahahahahahahaha this is a cool topic anyway Blind (Visually impaired) Pilot flying with voice control and virtual co-pilot. Delta Virtual Airlines pilot, DVA10222 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik Wachters Posted August 30, 2011 at 01:25 PM Posted August 30, 2011 at 01:25 PM Hi, I was controlling when I got this: "pilot: Established on the ILS runway 25L, can you please give me the ILS frequentie for runway 25L?" Erik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bernard tremblay Posted August 30, 2011 at 03:06 PM Posted August 30, 2011 at 03:06 PM "pilot: Established on the ILS runway 25L, can you please give me the ILS frequentie for runway 25L?"That's just frightening! If you look to see how the system works Likely you will find that it doesn't. @bentrem - FSX SP2 | AMD Athlon II 630 2.8GHz X4 | GA-MA785 | Radeon 5770 | 6GB DDR3 | XP Pro | Saitek X52 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callum McLoughlin Posted August 30, 2011 at 05:45 PM Posted August 30, 2011 at 05:45 PM It's probably in here somewhere, but "callsign 123, report your heading"... "wilco callsign 123". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Uytterhoeven 1151895 Posted September 2, 2011 at 05:18 PM Posted September 2, 2011 at 05:18 PM Hi, I was controlling when I got this: "pilot: Established on the ILS runway 25L, can you please give me the ILS frequentie for runway 25L?" Erik Haha Erik! That's when I was on Teamspeak when I heard that xD BeluxvACC Controller ezyJet VA Staff Member | Vatsim Liaison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Bennett 1041058 Posted September 7, 2011 at 10:52 AM Posted September 7, 2011 at 10:52 AM I recently had a run in with a Military Jock (sounded like he wanted to be a fighter pilot in the USAF rather then a Hercules in the RAF) I was VFR in the area RRRxxx: "Loc N Slop!" Me: "What is a Loc N Slop? - it sounds nasty? Do you have a doctor on board?" I try and use a dollop of humour when seeking clarification. It usually serves as a good icebreaker I wasn't expecting the reply I got though... RRRxxx: "What R U doing on Vatsim and flying online if u don't know what a localiser and glideslope r!" Me: "Flying VFR..." A few other pilots decided to chastise him for his response but nothing more was heard from the Herc Jock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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