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Not live but progress so far on the Mexico Vatsys Sector    

VATSYS Present in WorldFlight 2020 I was crazy enough to try it on Tuesday! And it did pretty good managing the eastbound departures out of Mexico Center. Still some things to figure out an

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Harold got it. All the M98 guys were on H31 St[Mod - Happy Thoughts]ts connected either with DA40/55 USB adapters, or with SHS2355 USB PTTs. Since the H31 has a quick-disconnect, we were able to accomplish position relief in a similar manner to the real world in that the relieving controller would simply plug into the scope with his headset.

 

Hm, how'd you handle that with regards to the account logged into the position?

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Hm, how'd you handle that with regards to the account logged into the position?

 

Steve,

 

According to what I've been told, prior approval was obtained from VATUSA. We were all within the same place (no more than a few feet from our own computers) so it was technically a "controlled" environment - no pun intended.

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Hm, how'd you handle that with regards to the account logged into the position?

 

Steve,

 

According to what I've been told, prior approval was obtained from VATUSA. We were all within the same place (no more than a few feet from our own computers) so it was technically a "controlled" environment - no pun intended.

 

 

Wait, so What did u guys do?

 

Just use them same CID (and not logout) or something like that?

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Wait, so What did u guys do?

 

Just use them same CID (and not logout) or something like that?

 

We considered something like that for one of the previous ZBW Tea Party events, but found that it violated the VATSIM user agreement which prohibits allowing someone else to use your CID.

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Seeing where this may be headed and hoping this somehow doesn't turn into some sort of a knee-jerk reaction for a CoC violation pinning on the facility, I'm going to be explicitly clear with the details here to hopefully keep this from getting out of hand before it has a chance to get started...

 

Having read the CoC regulation on this, I can understand and appreciate the spirit of it as you clearly wouldn't want to give out your p[Mod - Happy Thoughts]word and CID to some "random Joe" across the internet to log onto your position and start controlling without the primary account holder being present. However, we did not share our p[Mod - Happy Thoughts]words with anyone. We logged onto the network once in the beginning of the event on our own machines and that was that. Again, as previously stated, I was also informed from ZMP management that prior approval was obtained to allow for this. It was far easier on an operational level to keep the setup the way we had it for coordination purposes rather than having to move laptops around and connect and reconnect to positions. Additionally, everybody was fully certified on the TRACON/cab positions for which we were alternating between during the FNO. Again, nobody was away from their own computer for an extended period of time (for the most part, again, within a few feet of their machine). Lastly we're a pretty close group of friends, both on and off the scopes, meaning that everyone that was in attendance for the live event has known each other for quite some time in reality (we trust each other not to do anything to harm the network). Additionally, I'd find it quite difficult to believe that us rotating positions would somehow negatively impact operations on the network. If anything this was more beneficial towards preventing confusion or frequency glitches and what not by not having to constantly connect and reconnect to positions/voice servers.

 

Honestly, we were just acting in the best interest of the situation. We were providing efficient and effective services to pilots while keeping controllers immersed in the experience by allowing them the opportunity to rotate around - in the end it all worked out!

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Great post AJ.

 

All in all, while I recognize that some may be upset by our setup, or may come to the conclusion we violated CoC in one manner or another, I think we ought not turn this into a witch hunt. ZMP acted in the best interest of the pilots, and provided what was IMHO top notch, non-disruptive service to pilots participating in the event. Not only did our setup help alleviate confusion with pilots, but also helped alleviate any confusion for ZMP controllers and our neighboring facilities.

 

I, like AJ, hope this does not turn into a vindictive, CoC thumping making of examples to the rest of the network. I hope everyone realizes that we acted in the best interest of all participants, and if there was any violation of any VATSIM, or otherwise, policy, we certainly apologize and want people to recognize that was not our intention.

 

As the saying goes, "No harm, no foul." Nothing was done with malicious intent, nor with the idea of purposefully violating any VATSIM CoC Policy or otherwise.

 

We appreciate everyone's understanding.

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I think what you did was pretty normal practice for "live" events - last year at the Weston Flight Sim Show we had this setup to exhibit our ATC-side of things:

 

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...and just left the positions logged in and rotated people as appropriate.

 

I think it's one of those situations where, as long as it's in a "closed environment", then as an unspoken rule there's nothing wrong with it.

 

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Seeing where this may be headed and hoping this somehow doesn't turn into some sort of a knee-jerk reaction for a CoC violation pinning on the facility, I'm going to be explicitly clear with the details here to hopefully keep this from getting out of hand before it has a chance to get started...

 

For the record, I was only responding to Anthony's question ... I didn't realize that leaving your CIDs logged in was the method you guys actually used for the event. My apologies for inadvertently "calling you out" on an alleged CoC/UA violation.

 

The fact that we were not allowed to do so for the ZBW event might have had something to do with the fact that our event staff at the time included a founder and two BoG members, who were probably just going by the book. It wasn't important enough for us to seek a waiver so it didn't go any further than that. We just did what we do for regular events ... the relieving controller plugged in on a different computer and the previous controller logged off when the transfer was done.

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Ross, I figured you weren't intending to do so, but unfortunately you know as well as I do some people wouldn't hesitate to attempt to make an issue out of it somewhere (as much as I hate to say that).

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Hey, don't worry. We normally get these special "PR accounts" for events like these - you may want to consider asking for them next time. Although I would not ask for them for small gatherings where you just control together in one room. Since everyone there is a qualified member of VATSIM, I doubt that anyone will take serious offense by ATCOs switching from one computer to the other, as the computers are normally setup for a specific position.

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Our system SATCAS (from SELEX) is one of the most modern in the word, but we still need to correct from time to time the FP of a traffic, for which you need a keyboard

 

Well, if I'm not mistaking our tower at Brussels Natl. Airport was inaugurated in 2005. And we had the most modern systems at that time, and keep those updated. I know the controllers have keyboards, but they only use the mouse for updated the STS from SEQ to L/U to T/O so. Damn I want to get up there in a few years ^^

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