Finn Hutter Posted October 5, 2011 at 03:18 AM Posted October 5, 2011 at 03:18 AM Skylar, your STARS colors appear ... just a bit off. Color profile is based off of a real world controller's final approach configuration from a video I saw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dhruv Kalra Posted October 5, 2011 at 03:31 AM Posted October 5, 2011 at 03:31 AM Skylar, your STARS colors appear ... just a bit off. Color profile is based off of a real world controller's final approach configuration from a video I saw. If it's the S46 16C video, the colors used in the recording aren't the same as what's on the scopes. Dhruv Kalra VATUSA ZMP ATM | Instructor | VATSIM Network Supervisor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn Hutter Posted October 5, 2011 at 03:34 AM Posted October 5, 2011 at 03:34 AM Skylar, your STARS colors appear ... just a bit off. Color profile is based off of a real world controller's final approach configuration from a video I saw. If it's the S46 16C video, the colors used in the recording aren't the same as what's on the scopes. Oh well I liked it and thought it was realistic so I used it someone post their color profiles config for me! Aiming for realism and went the wrong way apparently rofl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernesto Alvarez 818262 Posted October 5, 2011 at 03:50 AM Posted October 5, 2011 at 03:50 AM theres a post in the USA section that has a bunch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dhruv Kalra Posted October 5, 2011 at 04:02 AM Posted October 5, 2011 at 04:02 AM Oh well I liked it and thought it was realistic so I used it someone post their color profiles config for me! Aiming for realism and went the wrong way apparently rofl. Here you go. Up to date for ARTS-IIIE Color Displays and STARS TCWs: viewtopic.php?p=364976#p364976 Dhruv Kalra VATUSA ZMP ATM | Instructor | VATSIM Network Supervisor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn Hutter Posted October 5, 2011 at 04:54 AM Posted October 5, 2011 at 04:54 AM Awesome thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Hawton Posted October 5, 2011 at 01:31 PM Posted October 5, 2011 at 01:31 PM I was about to say... STARS doesn't use blue for the beacon slash. The only time targets are only blue is if the brightness is turned all the way down on "BCN" (the beacon slash) in which it just isn't visible at all and you get a primary target only pointed at the antenna... or if using multi-sensor mode in that you get a blue block pointed in the direction the of the track that is either blue solid or a blue border only. And to the ultra-realistic response, it was a joking prod hence the Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Rodgers 1077574 Posted October 15, 2011 at 03:14 AM Posted October 15, 2011 at 03:14 AM Fort Worth Center Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Barnaby 1067268 Posted October 18, 2011 at 04:52 PM Posted October 18, 2011 at 04:52 PM Not my entire scope.. (editing a sector file) so the rest of it is a little too.. *ugly* to show.. but here we go! The airport is O'hare International (KORD) VATUSA, vZAU S2 / ORD Major Cert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Rodgers 910155 Posted October 18, 2011 at 06:17 PM Posted October 18, 2011 at 06:17 PM Skylar, your STARS colors appear ... just a bit off. Color profile is based off of a real world controller's final approach configuration from a video I saw. If it's the S46 16C video, the colors used in the recording aren't the same as what's on the scopes. To add on to that, there's also a "DSR" color profile floating around that uses yellow/wheat colors for the targets based off of some picture out on the internet. Unless you do crazy things to the targets, you'll never see anything other than shades of green. The background color ranges from black-ish to royal blue depending on your brightness, though. Source: ZDC Visit Here's the culprit (not fully accurate): Kyle Rodgers The content of this post, unless expressly written, refers only to those procedures in the United States of America, following the Federal Aviation Administration Regulations thereof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dhruv Kalra Posted October 18, 2011 at 10:02 PM Posted October 18, 2011 at 10:02 PM To add on to that, there's also a "DSR" color profile floating around that uses yellow/wheat colors for the targets based off of some picture out on the internet. Unless you do crazy things to the targets, you'll never see anything other than shades of green. The background color ranges from black-ish to royal blue depending on your brightness, though. Source: ZDC Visit Here's the culprit (not fully accurate): Actually, DSR targets and data blocks are shades of pure yellow, because 100% intensity DSR is straight yellow for targets and data blocks. Dhruv Kalra VATUSA ZMP ATM | Instructor | VATSIM Network Supervisor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Rodgers 910155 Posted October 18, 2011 at 11:01 PM Posted October 18, 2011 at 11:01 PM Not a single position at ZDC had yellow anywhere on the scope, despite varying screen intensities (no joke, one guy set up bright royal blue on one scope at TYI he liked it that bright). So I'm not sure what everyone else is looking at, or if ZDC doesn't run the same version of DSR, or what... Kyle Rodgers The content of this post, unless expressly written, refers only to those procedures in the United States of America, following the Federal Aviation Administration Regulations thereof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold Rutila 974112 Posted October 18, 2011 at 11:28 PM Posted October 18, 2011 at 11:28 PM Someone in the VATUSA forum said that Boston Center has a more gray background than a blue. It's probably a system-to-system thing, a little bit like STARS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Wollenberg 810243 Posted October 18, 2011 at 11:35 PM Posted October 18, 2011 at 11:35 PM Someone in the VATUSA forum said that Boston Center has a more gray background than a blue. It's probably a system-to-system thing, a little bit like STARS. You can set it up however you like, from black to gray to royal blue more or less. Just depends on how you set up your scope. Bryan Wollenberg ZLA! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate Johns Posted October 19, 2011 at 01:17 AM Posted October 19, 2011 at 01:17 AM DSR is a standarized, nationwide system. Variations noted between facilities and/or between individual scopes is more physical equipment than a locally adapted thing. I've visited 5 different centers in my short career, and the scopes all look identical. I have little reason to believe there's any difference in the others, but if you can show me otherwise, by all means do. Data blocks are generated in pure, unadulterated shades of yellow. CRR readouts and draw functions can draw in yellow, green, red, or white. When set side-by-side, it's night and day the difference in color between the yellow data block and green text on a scope. Obviously the text font is "thicker" to boot. Not the single-pixel thickness we're mostly used to seeing. Background ranges from a pure black to a fairly bright shade of blue. It may well be fully saturated blue... I'll have to play with it. If the scopes look grayish... it's the same thing as if you were to turn up the brightness on your monitor all the way up while looking at an otherwise black background. It grays a bit because of raw light output, such that no back lit monitor produces a truly pure black. Remember too, the displays being used are OLD AS SIN as well. Modern desktop monitors run circles around the technology and produce a cleaner look. Remember, DSR is a system that was designed in the 80s, installed in the early 90s, and projects data generated from a system patched together and upgraded only so much since the 60s. It's not that mega fancy, powerful, or customizable (sp?). ~Nate Nate Johns "All things are difficult before they are easy." - Dr. Thomas Fuller, Gnomologia, 1732 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Rodgers 1077574 Posted October 19, 2011 at 02:03 AM Posted October 19, 2011 at 02:03 AM D10 - Regional Approach Featuring my program Quick Button Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Rodgers 910155 Posted October 19, 2011 at 12:19 PM Posted October 19, 2011 at 12:19 PM (edited) DSR is a standarized, nationwide system. Variations noted between facilities and/or between individual scopes is more physical equipment than a locally adapted thing. I've visited 5 different centers in my short career, and the scopes all look identical. I have little reason to believe there's any difference in the others, but if you can show me otherwise, by all means do. If I could've take a picture on the floor, I would've, but I swear to all of ya that if you go to ZDC and walk around the floor, there isn't a hint of yellow on any of those screens. EDIT: changed post to quote only the relevant issue, per the comment of the following post Edited October 19, 2011 at 04:19 PM by Guest Kyle Rodgers The content of this post, unless expressly written, refers only to those procedures in the United States of America, following the Federal Aviation Administration Regulations thereof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate Johns Posted October 19, 2011 at 12:23 PM Posted October 19, 2011 at 12:23 PM You know it's entirely useless to quote my entire reply... I digress. Give me a bit to research. Nate Johns "All things are difficult before they are easy." - Dr. Thomas Fuller, Gnomologia, 1732 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Rodgers 910155 Posted October 19, 2011 at 01:00 PM Posted October 19, 2011 at 01:00 PM Sorry - I got lazy. It's too early and I haven't finished my coffee. Like I said, though, I can't take pictures on the floor, so that research point won't exactly work. Kyle Rodgers The content of this post, unless expressly written, refers only to those procedures in the United States of America, following the Federal Aviation Administration Regulations thereof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate Johns Posted October 19, 2011 at 01:10 PM Posted October 19, 2011 at 01:10 PM No worries, just busting chops. I've got a couple of acquaintances at ZDC, and I can ask our local automation folk as well, as they should be better acquainted with what information is locally adaptable. Nate Johns "All things are difficult before they are easy." - Dr. Thomas Fuller, Gnomologia, 1732 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Rodgers 910155 Posted October 19, 2011 at 02:41 PM Posted October 19, 2011 at 02:41 PM Fair enough - I tend to bust people a good bit when it comes to posting etiquette and so on so it's all good. Let me know. I swear I'm not colorblind, and I never once saw yellow. I was there for 3 hours and sat at 4 or 5 different positions (TYI, LDN, SWANN - forget the others) in different areas with varying background brightness (definitely supports the grey-bright blue comments). I could have just not seen it, but the colors were definitely varying shades of paler greens instead of yellows. Kyle Rodgers The content of this post, unless expressly written, refers only to those procedures in the United States of America, following the Federal Aviation Administration Regulations thereof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Wollenberg 810243 Posted October 19, 2011 at 03:24 PM Posted October 19, 2011 at 03:24 PM I read through the DSR manual last night (all 427 pages of it), but unfortunately, nowhere does it actually define the color, except to call it "yellow". Bryan Wollenberg ZLA! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate Johns Posted October 19, 2011 at 03:42 PM Posted October 19, 2011 at 03:42 PM It took me a very long time to accept that it's just yellow. I thought it was a funky shade of greenish yellow for the longest time, even while working. I got frustrated enough though to start directly comparing, and lo I found yellow. I think having a relatively small area of yellow on an otherwise black/bluish field makes it look greener than it is. The tab lists on the scope... those are green for sure. That's another comparison item to look at, though I understand it's a bit difficult to say hey, go back for another ZDC tour and find out for us I'll go ask around... bored of drawing maps at present. Nate Johns "All things are difficult before they are easy." - Dr. Thomas Fuller, Gnomologia, 1732 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Hawton Posted October 19, 2011 at 03:47 PM Posted October 19, 2011 at 03:47 PM When I was at ZJX, they had different brightness levels of yellow. On bluer backgrounds, they appeared green but they were definitely yellow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Rodgers 910155 Posted October 19, 2011 at 04:04 PM Posted October 19, 2011 at 04:04 PM It's actually not too difficult. I have two contacts there who could probably bring me back in, or somehow get some data about it. Kyle Rodgers The content of this post, unless expressly written, refers only to those procedures in the United States of America, following the Federal Aviation Administration Regulations thereof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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