Ernesto Alvarez 818262 Posted November 20, 2011 at 06:12 PM Posted November 20, 2011 at 06:12 PM no download leg on the overhead i would [Mod - Happy Thoughts]ume he had already done the break, altho just an [Mod - Happy Thoughts]umption from the call made i dont think thats normal for Honolulu even tho it does have a military area to add to Dans explanation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Hawton Posted November 20, 2011 at 06:16 PM Posted November 20, 2011 at 06:16 PM no download leg on the overhead i would [Mod - Happy Thoughts]ume he had already done the break, altho just an [Mod - Happy Thoughts]umption from the call made i dont think thats normal for Honolulu even tho it does have a military area to add to Dans explanation Nah, they do overhead breaks when the 8s are active sometimes depending on traffic. If it's busy enough they most likely try to shy away from it. But you'd be surprised at what can happen with the right controllers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernesto Alvarez 818262 Posted November 20, 2011 at 06:24 PM Posted November 20, 2011 at 06:24 PM sweet! now that i would love to see seeing it at a military base is one thing but over an international airport, thats gotta make it even more fun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Lewis Posted November 20, 2011 at 06:31 PM Posted November 20, 2011 at 06:31 PM As far as I know it is in the .65 so it should be available at any airport. I have seen it multiple time when I worked at DAY and no military there. You'll have to go to Wright Pat for that. The above pertains to United States Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Hawton Posted November 20, 2011 at 06:56 PM Posted November 20, 2011 at 06:56 PM Pensacola Airport has it happen, but that is because there is lots of military in the area. Honolulu is both an International Airport and an Air Force Base which is why it might still happen there. I doubt LAX or JFK see overhead breaks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wim Sjoholm 1133704 Posted November 20, 2011 at 07:06 PM Posted November 20, 2011 at 07:06 PM The overhead break + full stop landing (break initiated at about 35 seconds) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7Hn8EMa8sQ Somehow rated s3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mahmoud Fadli 819693 Posted November 20, 2011 at 07:42 PM Posted November 20, 2011 at 07:42 PM Here's one from my time at OJAC_CTR. Note that airport elevation is 2500 for OJAI. OJAC_CTR: MSRXXX, descend and maintain 5,000, fly present heading, cleared ILS Runway 26L.MSRXXX: Sir, request descent to 2,000. I can't intercept at 5,000, it's too high. OJAC_CTR: MSRXXX, airport elevation 2,500. MSRXXX: ?? OJAC_CTR: Sir, the airport's elevation is 2,500 feet. You can try to descend to 2,000, but I wouldn't do it! ... one minute pause as the aircraft continues on the approach ... MSRXXX: HOLY [Mod - lovely stuff]! You mean the airport's on a mountain?! OJAC_CTR: ... MSRXXX, Contact Tower on 119.800, good luck. Good times! Mahmoud A. Fadli - 819693 Deputy Region Director VATSIM Africa & Middle East Region http://www.vatame.org "Strength in Diversity" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernesto Alvarez 818262 Posted November 20, 2011 at 07:47 PM Posted November 20, 2011 at 07:47 PM i had one like that controlling in Havana. pilot flying to MUCU which has a very high mountain next to it. pilot wanted to descend early, apparently not knowing he'd be going over a 7000+ft mountain on the way into the airport lol. he insisted, so i gave him "at your own risk" he never made it to the airport Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Lewis Posted November 20, 2011 at 08:00 PM Posted November 20, 2011 at 08:00 PM @Hawton My guess would be it is more a matter of traffic or workload rather than the airport. Same theory as the restriction of VFR aircraft in the pattern at those airports. It is not that they can't do it they just are typically busy with other traffic in the arrival or departure sequence. The above pertains to United States Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John-Alan Pascoe 1173839 Posted November 20, 2011 at 10:14 PM Posted November 20, 2011 at 10:14 PM Thanks to all the people who explained what an overhead approach is. Sounds like it would be 'interesting' to attempt in a C17, but I suppose if you take your turning circle large enough it would work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernesto Alvarez 818262 Posted November 20, 2011 at 10:15 PM Posted November 20, 2011 at 10:15 PM yep even the big boys fly them, especially the C5's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alistair Thomson Posted November 20, 2011 at 11:41 PM Posted November 20, 2011 at 11:41 PM Thanks to all the people who explained what an overhead approach is. Sounds like it would be 'interesting' to attempt in a C17, but I suppose if you take your turning circle large enough it would work. And that's fine as far as it goes. But there is also the overhead join, used mainly in VFR when a pilot is approaching a field with no currently active ATC. The procedure is to cross the midfield at 2000ft AGL from whatever direction you are coming from, "ascertain" the pattern direction (normally lefthand, but the signal square will define that, if there is one, in the absence of which [Mod - Happy Thoughts]ume lefthand. The reason you cross initially at midfield is so that you can scope out the signal square, if there is one). Then descend on the dead side (which may mean re-tracing your route at 2000'AGL until you are on the dead side before descending, making all turns in the circuit direction) to circuit height, and once again overfly the runway, above the upwind end this time, keeping a good lookout for departing traffic, and turn downwind at a suitable distance depending on your type. During this, make standard radio calls. Oh wait. This is VATSIM. So don't make standard calls on the published ATC frequency at all. Instead, monitor Unicom, like everyone else is doing as per the Requirement. Oh, wait. VATSIM does not require you to type anything (transmit) while on Unicom, so if we all do that, we're all listening to, er, nothing. Well, that's helpful. Alistair Thomson === Definition: a gentleman is a flying instructor in a Piper Cherokee who can change tanks without getting his face slapped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Hawton Posted November 21, 2011 at 12:30 AM Posted November 21, 2011 at 12:30 AM Oh, wait. VATSIM does not require you to type anything (transmit) while on Unicom, so if we all do that, we're all listening to, er, nothing. Well, that's helpful. VFR... see and avoid. If you have FSInn, use its radar. Just gotta look around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alistair Thomson Posted November 21, 2011 at 01:45 AM Posted November 21, 2011 at 01:45 AM Oh, wait. VATSIM does not require you to type anything (transmit) while on Unicom, so if we all do that, we're all listening to, er, nothing. Well, that's helpful. VFR... see and avoid. If you have FSInn, use its radar. Just gotta look around. You can do that without Unicom… Alistair Thomson === Definition: a gentleman is a flying instructor in a Piper Cherokee who can change tanks without getting his face slapped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claus Hemberg Joergensen Posted November 22, 2011 at 09:22 PM Posted November 22, 2011 at 09:22 PM Myself manning Copenhagen Approach (EKCH_APP), ESOS_CTR just in the middle of a controller change, so the pilot departing EKCH had to stay at FL190 and on my freq. until the change was completed: EKCH_APP: Due to controller change in Sweden, maintain FL190 and expect further climb in a few minutes Pilot: No sweat, baby Not quite the readback I expected Claus Hemberg Joergensen Vatsim Membership Manager - Americas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave James 1018738 Posted November 23, 2011 at 03:05 AM Posted November 23, 2011 at 03:05 AM ...............Start to be concerned when they refer to you as either Honey or Darling. A few weeks ago: ATC: Call sign, say present position PILOT: Present position ATC: Call sign, what is your present position PILOT: Inbound to you sir, I request landing ATC: David James VATSIM Screenshot Contest Coordinator Intel Core 2 Quad CPU Q6600 2.4gig, RAM 3.25gig, ATI Radeon HD4800, XP Pro SP3, FS9.1 FSnav FSinn VRC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Board of Governors Don Desfosse Posted November 23, 2011 at 04:38 AM Board of Governors Posted November 23, 2011 at 04:38 AM Heh, reminds me of one I had during CTP a couple of months ago.... BOS_CTR: "Callsign, say flight level." PILOT: "Flight level" BOS_CTR: "Heh, OK, Callsign, say "'Ready to copy holding instructions'" PILOT: "Flight Level 240" BOS_CTR: <has another slug of Jack D> Don Desfosse Vice President, Operations Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Barnaby 1067268 Posted November 23, 2011 at 06:52 AM Posted November 23, 2011 at 06:52 AM That one is great VATUSA, vZAU S2 / ORD Major Cert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burak Bugday Posted November 25, 2011 at 01:51 PM Posted November 25, 2011 at 01:51 PM I had very interesting dialog with a vpilot when controlling at Bucharest Approach about 2 months ago... Pilot : good evening approach ready to taxi (as he was still parked at the gate) LROP_APP: xxxx, confirm requesting taxi as far as I see you are still parked at gate A2. Pilot: Affirm, requesting taxi LROP_APP: taxi holding point 26R via L,S,N, O Pilot: taxiing to holding point 26R via Lima, Sierra, Nancy and October LROP_APP: Lima sierra november oscar to hp 26R pilot: roger, Nancy sounded better and believe me she's hot! lima sierra north pole and october to 26R LROP_APP: advise ready to copy atc clearance pilot: whats clearance? LROP_APP: (trying to explain as simple as possible) your permission to fly pilot: I dont need to ask for permission from you to fly I can fly when ever I want he disconnects Best Regards, Burak Bugday - 983451 Turkish vACC Deputy Director Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sava Markovic 1109329 Posted November 25, 2011 at 02:19 PM Posted November 25, 2011 at 02:19 PM Sava Markovic SCGvACC Events Coordinator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Sequeira 1192651 Posted November 25, 2011 at 02:25 PM Posted November 25, 2011 at 02:25 PM I wish there was a recording mix put together on this stuff like videos on YouTube...I was thinking something like Boston John, only with an bloopers section. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Baker 1080999 Posted November 26, 2011 at 07:17 AM Posted November 26, 2011 at 07:17 AM Pilot: Houston, We have a problem. (anyother ATC location): *Callsign, You have a biiger problem, this isnt Houston. 0.o ZAU S-2, Major Certified ZAU S-1 Mentor (Disclaimer: the post above does not necessarily express the opinion or stance of ZAU or ZAUs training program, this view is made by me and me alone) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Gerrish Posted November 26, 2011 at 07:47 AM Posted November 26, 2011 at 07:47 AM Richard Gerrish Developer, STM Applications Group Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brendan Lynch 1167842 Posted November 26, 2011 at 08:36 PM Posted November 26, 2011 at 08:36 PM Pilot: Houston, We have a problem.(anyother ATC location): *Callsign, You have a biiger problem, this isnt Houston. 0.o Okay, that one is real good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Muenster 1149119 Posted November 27, 2011 at 07:25 PM Posted November 27, 2011 at 07:25 PM Me: "xxx turn right heading 360." Pilot: "right 360" a little over a minute later he finally starts to turn Me: "xxx 10 from JALTO, tun left heading 300, maintain 3000 til established, cleared ILS 27R app'' Pilot: "uh roger, left 300, cleared ILS app." Again takes a minute to initiate turn, when he does turn his bank angle is about 5° and blows right through the localizer Pilot: "Uh sir, we just went right through the localizer, you really suck at this." At this point an unidentified pilot came across the frequency and said, "xxx maybe it's you that sucks!" John Muenster (MR) - Minneapolis ARTCC Unless expressly written, my comments in no way reflect the opinions of any ARTCC I am affiliated with, they are personal opinions only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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