Kirk Christie Posted May 9, 2016 at 02:10 AM Posted May 9, 2016 at 02:10 AM Two things. VATSIM doesnt simulate real life... Declaring an emergency on unicom is against the code of conduct. Kirk Christie - VATPAC C3 VATPAC Undercover ATC Agent Worldflight Perth 737-800 Crew Member Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Glottmann Posted May 9, 2016 at 02:42 AM Posted May 9, 2016 at 02:42 AM (edited) Nada. Edited May 9, 2016 at 09:09 AM by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bradley Grafelman Posted May 9, 2016 at 02:51 AM Posted May 9, 2016 at 02:51 AM What part of the COC? B8. If not under ATC control, you just handle the emergency without "declaring" it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Glottmann Posted May 9, 2016 at 09:06 AM Posted May 9, 2016 at 09:06 AM If not under ATC control, you just handle the emergency without "declaring" it. ;) Damn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk Christie Posted May 9, 2016 at 01:34 PM Posted May 9, 2016 at 01:34 PM Its a new one maybe 2 years old might even be less than that. Introduced to stop people disrupting others on unicom. Kirk Christie - VATPAC C3 VATPAC Undercover ATC Agent Worldflight Perth 737-800 Crew Member Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thimo Koolen Posted May 10, 2016 at 06:27 AM Posted May 10, 2016 at 06:27 AM VATSIM doesnt simulate real life... VATSIM is the Virtual Air Traffic Simulation network, connecting people from around the world flying online or acting as virtual Air Traffic Controllers. This completely free network allows aviation enthusiasts the ultimate as-real-as-it-gets experience. Air Traffic Control (ATC) is available in our communities throughout the world, operating as close as possible to the real-life procedures and utilising real-life weather, airport and route data. On VATSIM you can join people on the other side of the planet to fly and control, with nothing more than a home computer. Sounds to me that we're simulating the real world as much as possible. Besides, at the Dutch Vacc, we simulated the runway closure and never used that runway during the maintenance period. Ofcourse we can't enforce everyone to not fly that runway, especially if there is no tower or approach controller online (I've occasionally seen people fly the runway 09/27 in that period). I'm just trying to say that Vatsim does simulate real life as much as possible. ACCNL4 (Training Director) - Dutch VACC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Story 1357003 Posted May 12, 2016 at 02:11 PM Posted May 12, 2016 at 02:11 PM Its a new one maybe 2 years old might even be less than that. Introduced to stop people disrupting others on unicom. It makes sense when most people are just trying to use it for situational awareness and don't actually "get anything out of" someone else declaring emergency. Like for a controller, it's an additional test of their skills and is directly related to them... but if I'm just flying a STAR, it's just someone else getting in the way. What's peoples thoughts on general emergency declaring on Vatsim? I've not done any deliberate ones, but is it considered part of the fun or does it get annoying? I did have to declare a technical issue yesterday when my throttles became inoperative after being asked to vacate Gatwick 08R.... my cat knocked the USB out, but I decided not to p[Mod - Happy Thoughts] that specific detail onto the tower in case they called Company and asked why I had pets in the cockpit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathan Elliott 1278737 Posted May 12, 2016 at 09:20 PM Posted May 12, 2016 at 09:20 PM A controller can tell the differences between an immature deliberate one and a real one immature deliberate = gtfo and disconnect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dace Nicmane Posted May 12, 2016 at 10:24 PM Posted May 12, 2016 at 10:24 PM I did have to declare a technical issue yesterday when my throttles became inoperative after being asked to vacate Gatwick 08R.... my cat knocked the USB out, but I decided not to p[Mod - Happy Thoughts] that specific detail onto the tower in case they called Company and asked why I had pets in the cockpit. It happened to me recently that I couldn't vacate the runway and couldn't figure out why. It turned out I'd landed without gear. The controller had sent me a .contactme on final and distracted me. It wasn't terribly busy, but eventually I had to disconnect. No taxiing without gear. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thimo Koolen Posted May 13, 2016 at 11:39 AM Posted May 13, 2016 at 11:39 AM Which airplane? Modern airliners make a beeping sound when you haven't prepared your plane fully for approach at some point. ACCNL4 (Training Director) - Dutch VACC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dace Nicmane Posted May 13, 2016 at 02:29 PM Posted May 13, 2016 at 02:29 PM x737 (X-plane). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnus Meese Posted May 13, 2016 at 04:45 PM Posted May 13, 2016 at 04:45 PM You could send a note to the devs then. The NG will yell at you when setting flap 15 or greater with retracted gear. The CL does it at flaps 1 or greater, but the horn can be cancelled at settings one through 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dace Nicmane Posted May 13, 2016 at 08:31 PM Posted May 13, 2016 at 08:31 PM It may be fixed in the latest version they released this month, don't know. I didn't download it because this computer is not gonna be able to handle it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luka Stevens Posted May 16, 2016 at 05:33 PM Posted May 16, 2016 at 05:33 PM meanwhile on Belux Vacc OO-BET: approach this is OO-BET declearing an emergency, engine failure. APPROACH: roger emergency services are on the way to your currect position OO-BET: ooo there's a field *dives* APPROACH: Roger, if you die... Ill send a deadperson car *airplane crashes* OO-BET: Approach this is BET, sadly to inform you that I survived APPROACH: Roger, uhh monitor unicom 122.800 byeee OO-BET: roger switching, and btw the farmer his field is now plowed thx Elliott and Simon for this great moment 1 LUKA STEVENS Belux vACC Training Director [email protected] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Lockwood Posted May 19, 2016 at 06:22 PM Posted May 19, 2016 at 06:22 PM Today on EGKK_DEL: BAWXXX: Request clearance to De Gaulle Me: You don't appear to have filed a route, could you please file one for me BAWXXXX: Is it necessary? Me: Leaves for many many hours figuring out what goes on in some people's brains Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Glottmann Posted May 23, 2016 at 02:22 AM Posted May 23, 2016 at 02:22 AM (This is mainly for the SUPs commentary) On Miami Center. This was after the pilot took 20+ minutes to actually takeoff, after holding short of the runway. P[Mod - Happy Thoughts]ing 6000ish: Pilot: mayday mayday maydaySupervisor (via PM): Launch the SAR helo! Pilot: I need help to land! Supervisor: kind of a hard request for you to fill since he's the only one who can fly/land the thing. Pilot: *mumbles* crash Pilot: not funny mayday mayday mayday crash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Vandersnickt Posted May 31, 2016 at 07:00 PM Posted May 31, 2016 at 07:00 PM Today in Belux vACC: JDI8X (pronounced as JEDI): Request IFR clearance. ELLX_APP: JDI8X, hello Luke Skywalker, cleared to destination via DIK2T departure, initial climb 4000ft, set Millennium Falcon squawk 7172. Belux vACC mentor/examiner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryn Battersby Posted July 4, 2016 at 07:55 AM Posted July 4, 2016 at 07:55 AM Heard at JFK a week or so ago... ATC: "station calling, please say callsign".... Pilot: "callsign" twitch.tv/brynmwr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Ogden Posted July 6, 2016 at 08:37 AM Posted July 6, 2016 at 08:37 AM Pilot: 'Wellington Control, XXX123, the Eagle has landed. ATC: Copy that Neil Armstrong, Taxi to the bay via X, X and X. mind = blown Andrew Ogden Gander Oceanic OCA Chief Vancouver FIR Senior Instructor Visit us: https://ganderoceanic.ca Contact: [email protected] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Brown Posted July 8, 2016 at 12:54 PM Posted July 8, 2016 at 12:54 PM A usual occurence on Heathrow, slightly worrying some members can't seem to operate a comp[Mod - Happy Thoughts] ATC: BAW123, Push and start approved, face North. Pilot: Push approved, face North. [5 minutes p[Mod - Happy Thoughts]] Pilot: BAW123, request taxi. ATC: Are you sure you're facing North? Pilot: Yes. ATC: What does it say at the top of your NAV display? 180? Pilot: Yes. ATC: That would be south then, wouldn't it... The Joys. 1 Network Supervisor | C1 | P1 VATSIM UK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd Knutson 1169549 Posted July 16, 2016 at 12:24 AM Posted July 16, 2016 at 12:24 AM On the topic of pilots declaring emergency's. I had an incident a few years ago where I was flying an approach and lost visibility in the middle of my screen. I later learned that my wife had set the anti virus program to run at 23:00 on Wednesday and it messed up flight sim. I apologized to the controller and told him I needed to log off due to the problem. His response was to ask if I was declaring an emergency and proceeded to handle it as such. Landed it and walked away. I wish I had checked his name as he handled it so well and I would have let him know he saved an online flight from being a frustration. I think it was in the Bahama's. Todd Flying is easy. Landing is the trick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thimo Koolen Posted July 16, 2016 at 09:48 AM Posted July 16, 2016 at 09:48 AM Doing emergencies is an important part of flying (online). The CoC states you have to have permission from the controller to do one. This is obvious, because it increases the work load heavily and if for example only a Center is online, his workload might be already quite high. I once did a Fedex flight at EHAM with a ground controller and approach controller online. I asked the Approach controller when my cargo was still being loaded if he was okay with me doing an emergency and he was fine with it. He did really great and handled me really professional. I think the controller liked it as well, because it's something different than a dozen of normal situations. "Climb FL130" "Monitor unicom 122.8 bye" etc. If I'd be a controller, I wouldn't mind an emergency once in a while. It keeps me sharp and makes sure my skills are still enough. ACCNL4 (Training Director) - Dutch VACC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommi Karkkainen 1322309 Posted July 17, 2016 at 09:56 AM Posted July 17, 2016 at 09:56 AM (...) you have to have permission from the controller to do one. (...) I once did a Fedex flight at EHAM with a ground controller and approach controller online. I asked the Approach controller when my cargo was still being loaded if he was okay with me doing an emergency and he was fine with it. (...) Ok, so you did a planned emergency. What about the more realistic emergencies caused by a system failure randomly triggered by the flight simulator, or pilot error (e.g. not loading enough fuel)? In such cases it would be weird to ask "is it ok if I have an emergency?" My understanding is that in those situations you can simply make your mayday call. If the controller doesn't want to handle it for whatever reason, they can then simply tell you to disconnect or "cheat" your way out of the emergency. (we're getting offtopic here) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thimo Koolen Posted July 17, 2016 at 12:40 PM Posted July 17, 2016 at 12:40 PM Code of Conduct B8: Pilots are permitted to declare in-flight emergencies only when under positive air traffic control. (...) If, for any reason, air traffic control requests the pilot to terminate the emergency, then the pilot must do so IMMEDIATELY or log off of VATSIM. (...) So, yes, you could declare an emergency, but if the controller doesn't want you to do one, you most log off or terminate the emergency immediately. ACCNL4 (Training Director) - Dutch VACC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Jucha 1343412 Posted September 1, 2016 at 01:09 AM Posted September 1, 2016 at 01:09 AM Ok, not purely online but you will get the idea... I was on the phone scheduling a repair while online controlling a quiet airport. And this is what happened: Phone: Yeah, I need to get a starter installed...Hang On.. 'Radio": NWA123 wind 350 at 12, rwy 5L cleared to land. Pilot: (readback) Phone: What was that? Me: Nothing.. So anyway.(time compression).wait a sec. Me: NWA123 Welcome to Indianapolis, exit right when able. 'Radio': Readback Me: NWA123 taxi to the ramp via B T 'Radio': Readback Phone: Are you in a tower?? Me: No, just having some fun. Phone: Does the FAA know you are taking calls at work? Me: Dunno, I do it all the time! (At this point he's not going to let it go, so I have a bit of fun) Phone: That's just not right Me: Yeah, hang on, let me get another beer, be right back. Oddly enough I didn't get my work scheduled there and I DID get another beer. Who said VATSIM wasn't entertaining for a controller? 1 I got to the door! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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